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Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by nordsieck on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @05:18AM (#37829996)
> Anyone know any actual solutions?

The only real factor here is supply/demand. There are no good ways to control demand, so the only solution is to increase supply. Here are some ideas:

* Get rid of anti-dorm laws. There are laws in a lot of places that limit dorm style living by limiting the number of unrelated adults who can live in the same residence. However, this is the most economically efficient living situation.

* Change zoning. A lot of cities have most of their residential land zoned for single family only. Just change everything to multi-family. Remove requirements like having to conform to the character of the neighborhood, having to build parking spots per residence, having to have increased height based setbacks, needing to have a certain amount of land reserved for green space, etc.

* Remove construction limits. A lot of places have a building plan where they only approve so much building over a period of time. Just say yes. Change to a "shall issue" model, where the government needs an affirmative reason to deny a permit and has to do it within a certain time period for certain well-recognized reasons.

I'm not saying that all of these are good ideas. There are problems with all of them. And all of them will be unpopular.

But they should all increase the supply of housing. Which is the same thing as decreasing property values. Which is why they're all un-popular.

Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by gadders on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @05:27AM (#37830040)
Limiting immigration is one way to control demand.
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by hoseja on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @05:49AM (#37830141)
Also changing culture to discourage people from aggregating in hustle and bustle anthills.
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by oblio on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:06AM (#37830244)
That's a recipe for urban/suburban sprawl and an absolute disaster for the environment.

Even low density housing through basic human presence distorts natural environments.

It's basically like this in terms of environmental impact:

No humans >>>>>>>>>>> a few humans >>> many humans >> enormous amounts of humans.

Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by dukeyukey on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:03AM (#37830224)
Reversing the entire Industrial Revolution seems harder than just building more houses.
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by thfuran on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @05:52AM (#37830160)
Cities are far more efficient than having everyone smeared across vast swaths of suburbia. And changing culture in a targeted way is not exactly an easy thing to do.
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by harimau777 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @07:58AM (#37830974)
I don't think that's possible (other than indirectly such as by improving high speed rail so people can benefit from cities without living there). By their nature cities provide greater access to desirable amenities such as art, culture, museums, and niche hobbies.
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by hoseja on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @08:00AM (#37830988)
Art, culture, museums, and niche hobbies are only desirable if the culture (other meaning) deems them desirable.
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by dukeyukey on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @08:59AM (#37831488)
My dude, people have been making art for at least tens of thousands of years. I don't think people are about to stop now.
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by thfuran on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @01:51PM (#37847844)
Has there ever been a culture that didn't value entertainment or art?
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by konschubert on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:29AM (#37830376)
Sure. You can pass a law that only New Yorkers are allowed to live in New York.

Is it passed on by birth right?

I guess that’s the city of liberty for you then.

Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by gadders on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:36AM (#37830420)
I was more thinking on a national scale.
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by konschubert on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:37AM (#37830428)
How does that make it better?

I think there are valid reasons to want to control immigration, supply of housing isn’t one of them.

Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by gadders on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:54AM (#37830544)
You don't think that immigrants need a place to live? The more demand you have for a thing, the higher the price goes.
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by konschubert on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @09:42AM (#37831987)
Big that’s easy to solve by building more.
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by gadders on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @11:30AM (#37833381)
If it were that easy, it would already have been done, no?
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by LoganDark on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:37PM (#37837146)
Just because something is easy doesn't mean the people in power have an incentive to do it. Or don't have an incentive not to do it.
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by konschubert on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @05:22PM (#37837729)
People who have houses don't want others to have houses because that increases the value of the houses they own.

Then they make up stories about "neighbourhood character" and how it's gentrification that is driving up the prices.

Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by LoganDark on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @02:23AM (#37841557)
It took me a while to get this, but it's "not wanting others to have houses" that increases the value of the houses they own.
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by gadders on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @06:01AM (#37842636)
There is also the "please don't concrete over every last piece of green space".
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by LoganDark on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @11:59AM (#37846185)
New houses aren't the solution to droves and droves of empty ones. There are plenty of existing homes that should be available.
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by ProcNetDev on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @09:24PM (#37839898)
Or you could leave.
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by eli_gottlieb on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @05:24PM (#37837751)
Is there any actual numerical evidence that international immigration is on the same scale as intra-national migration as a source of housing demand?
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by klyrs on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @01:39AM (#37841322)
Who then will build new houses?
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by thfuran on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @05:50AM (#37830145)
>needing to have a certain amount of land reserved for green space

Less green space isn't really what most cities need.

Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by oblio on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:07AM (#37830251)
If I'm reading this right he's basically asking against mandating front and back yards. He's not against mandating public parks.
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by nordsieck on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @07:00AM (#37830581)
> Less green space isn't really what most cities need.

IMO, it's better to follow the NYC model. Have a few great parks and then dense building.

Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by harimau777 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @07:56AM (#37830959)
For what it's worth, when I moved to NYC I was surprised that there were so many parks. I haven't looked into the history in order to confirm this, but it looks to me like as rectangular buildings were constructed on pieces of land the extra "corners" got turned into parks; resulting in tiny triangular parks all over the place.
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by mschuster91 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @05:59AM (#37830204)
> There are no good ways to control demand

There are: instead of just letting every DAX or international megacorp to settle in Munich/Berlin or expand at will, force them to go to other cities instead.

Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by konschubert on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:36AM (#37830421)
Why do you think that those companies want to go to big cities?
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by 8note on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @08:50PM (#37839684)
The goal being to reduce demand by reduced quality of living?
Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by ryan_lane on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @01:15AM (#37841143)
The only thing in that list that reduces the quality of living is removing green space requirements. Having a multi-family building in your neighborhood doesn't affect your single-family home.

Reducing parking requirements _may_ reduce quality of living, if public transportation isn't an option.

Japan solves the parking problem by requiring you to have an off-street parking space to own a car. Removing street parking increases the amount of land available for use, makes the city more walkable (and bikeable) and reduces car ownership.

Re:The Rent Is Too Damn Algorithmic by earthling8118 on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @01:41PM (#37847710)
Many of these are increases in quality of living. There's really only a single thing on that list that is lowering