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Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by jzb on Monday October 09, 2023 @05:46PM (#37825897)
I was at Red Hat while Jim was CEO. He’s very culture focused and is an excellent choice for restoring faith there. He got great results while at Red Hat, but they plucked him out for a non-CEO role at IBM after the acquisition. IMO that has been IBMs greatest sin in its handling of Red Hat.

Jim was active on memo-list and seemed to listen to people. That doesn’t mean he’s perfect, but I’d give him very high marks and I think that he had a lot of goodwill among Red Hatters as CEO.

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by linuxftw on Monday October 09, 2023 @06:04PM (#37826048)
I also worked under Jim. He managed to under perform the rest of the tech sector by an order of magnitude. He completely mismanaged the company with regards to the virtualization boom, just compare VMWare's revenues to Red Hat's. Red Hat OpenStack was and is an absolute awful product all the way around.

What Jim did do successfully is destroy the actual FOSS spirit within the company. Everyone has Mac Books now. All the standard corporate welfare initiatives for liberal arts majors (Chief Diversity Officer and their ilk).

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by eraser215 on Monday October 09, 2023 @06:24PM (#37826203)
Almost everything you said here is complete garbage.

Underperform the rest of the tech sector? No... 70+ quarters of successive double digit growth until the acquisition.

Mismanaged the company with respect to virtualisation? You're conflating mismanaging the company with possible strategic errors in virtualisation.

Destroy FOSS spirit? Absolutely the opposite. He is held in the highest esteem by every red hatter I have ever spoken to. Not only that, but he made the effort to do red hat training to learn the tech in the early days. How has he destroyed any FOSS spirit through his actions? Give an example.

Everyone has macbooks now? No. Sellers generally do, I'll give you that, but technical staff are mostly using Fedora or RHEL. Flexibility has always been a huge part of the employee experience.

Standard corporate welfare initiatives for liberal arts majors? You sound like an angry white man who can't stand that people other than yourself may have their disadvantage recognised nowadays. Stop feeling so threatened.

Why are you so bitter?

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by dralley on Monday October 09, 2023 @07:08PM (#37826604)
"The sector" is also a bit of an apples/oranges situation. There are very, very, very few if any pure-play open source software companies that are as successful as Red Hat.
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by eraser215 on Monday October 09, 2023 @08:52PM (#37827378)
Good point. In pure play OSS nobody has come close, for sure. My understanding is that the only other software company that had the same sustained growth trend was salesforce. Could be wrong though.
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by linuxftw on Monday October 09, 2023 @07:31PM (#37826773)
There are a lot of Jim kool-aide drinkers, there's no doubt about that. And the faithful diligently applauded him selling the company to IBM.

A lot of people felt betrayed when they switched to gmail. Those voices were all shouted down.

Jim turned a $1T opportunity into a $30B one.

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by jzb on Monday October 09, 2023 @09:12PM (#37827502)
Jim did not sell the company to IBM. It was not Jim's to sell. Jim received an offer from IBM which he conveyed to the board, which put it in front of shareholders, and shareholders accepted the offer. To the tune of 99.5% of shareholders who voted (about 80% of shares cast votes...). [1]

Some people were pissed about switching to Gmail. They were not anything close to a majority of users.

It's fine that you don't share a positive opinion of Jim's tenure as CEO, but the commentary that shows ignorance of how public companies work, petty gripes about switching to Gmail (as if that was Jim's personal project) and grudge-holding about diversity doesn't paint you as someone to take seriously.

[1] https://www.lightreading.com/virtualization/red-hat-sharehol...

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by linuxftw on Monday October 09, 2023 @09:51PM (#37827722)
I'm aware of how the acquisition took place. And 80% of shares would have been mostly institutional investors. I think we all know that Jim and the board were actively soliciting buy outs. What individual do you think pocketed the most money from that sale? That's right, Jim. He was paid handsomely to prevent a riot from breaking out after the merger.

> They were not anything close to a majority of users.

You're making my point for me. Jim destroyed the actual spirit of FOSS at Red Hat. It transformed into "Everything we distribute is open source, and that's all we care about." The GPL has been all but abandoned in favor of non copy-left licenses.

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by jzb on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @08:41AM (#37831308)
"I'm aware of how the acquisition took place."

Are you? Because your comments don't reflect that. "We all" don't "know" that, actually. Maybe they were, but as I understand it IBM's bid was unsolicited.

Do you have a citation for the claim Jim "pocketed the most money" from the sale? I am sure he made plenty, but so did the other execs, so did the shareholders -- the sale price was quite a premium on the share price.

Red Hat was a public company. Too many people have magical thinking about how Red Hat's execs should've run the company according to their ideals when the reality is if Jim ran the company the way you'd have liked it would've probably triggered an investor lawsuit.

If you want ideological purity to the satisfaction of your FOSS standards, then working for a public company is a path to unhappiness every time.

I didn't agree with every choice made by Jim and the rest of Red Hat's leadership at the time -- but he was a decent CEO within the parameters allowed for public company CEOs.

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by linuxftw on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @09:27AM (#37831811)
> I didn't agree with every choice made by Jim and the rest of Red Hat's leadership at the time -- but he was a decent CEO within the parameters allowed for public company CEOs.

That's the prevailing opinion. It's safe to have. IMO, he's just an empty suit that peddles kool-aid. Red Hat was in a unique position as the top kernel contributor for a long time, meanwhile VMware, Google (android), and AWS ate up all the value.

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by eraser215 on Monday October 09, 2023 @09:54PM (#37827745)
Unfortunately the person you replied to is one of these people for whom facts are a mostly ignorable obstacle when wanting to maintain some misplaced outrage.
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by kortilla on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:43AM (#37829793)
Both of your comments are personal attacks.

“Bitter”

“White man”

“Facts are a mostly ignorable obstacle”

Please review the guidelines and save the clap trap for reddit.

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by ummonk on Monday October 09, 2023 @10:19PM (#37827875)
If you think Red Hat was a $1T opportunity then you’re the one drinking the koolaid.
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by phpisthebest on Monday October 09, 2023 @08:43PM (#37827292)
>>He is held in the highest esteem by every red hatter

Since "red hatters" believe they "are open source" and have turned their backs on the community (see the CentOS changes and the active attacks on Rocky Linux) dont know "red hatters" opinion carry much weight in FOSS these days.

Red hatters certainly have an the ego to believe only their opinion matters but reality often does not match ego

To me, I hope I never have to use another software product from RedHat again... I dont know if IBM killed RedHat, or if RedHat just reviled their true colors... either way RedHat is no friend to FOSS, they are just another corporate software company attempting to control FOSS not contributing freely to it.

To me in this day, Oracle is better steward of Linux that RedHat is.

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by eraser215 on Monday October 09, 2023 @08:53PM (#37827386)
Your final sentence proves just how little you understand about FOSS. Thanks for making it easy.
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by phpisthebest on Monday October 09, 2023 @08:56PM (#37827412)
I did not say Oracle was better steward of FOSS, what they did do their other FOSS projects is like what Red Hat is doing to RHEL

Red Hat and Oracle are more or less the same now

But when it comes to Oracle Linux, atleast they are not putting the sources behind the paywall and threatening customers with bans if they follow their GPL Rights

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by dralley on Monday October 09, 2023 @09:40PM (#37827654)
A) There have been no "threats" towards anyone much less customers

B) Oracle cannot be described as a "steward" if their entire goal is to produce a RHEL clone using the sources provided by Red Hat. Oracle maintains a kernel package themselves, but that's about it.

C) "The sources" are not behind a paywall. CentOS Stream is "the sources". The only difference between now and 6 months ago is that it used to be the case that the specfiles for every package in the distro were maintained in a single publicly facing git repository which made it trivial to rebuild the entire distro, whereas now you would have to create a mapping of which CentOS Stream packages were used first, which is not as straightforward as having it all in one place. It is nonetheless possible to do.

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by eraser215 on Monday October 09, 2023 @09:52PM (#37827731)
Stick to php, because you have no idea what you're talking about here. Perhaps you can remind yourself of where Oracle Linux comes from on your way out.
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by DonHopkins on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @07:54AM (#37830936)
>You sound like an angry white man who can't stand that people other than yourself may have their disadvantage recognised nowadays.

That's exactly what he meant to communicate by using the traditional angry white man shibboleth of shaking his furious fist at the "Chief Diversity Officer and their ilk" who are active out to get him and ruin his life by making it impossible for him to get a job. Life is just so difficult for him with his anti-diversity disability, you can understand why he feels so angry and threatened and acts out like a toddler in this way.

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by dang on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @12:44PM (#37846814)
Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.

Your comment would be fine without the first and last bits.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: yikes - you broke the site guidelines quite badly in several other places in this thread:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37827776

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37827745

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37827731

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37827386

We have to ban accounts that post that way. If you'd please stick to the rules in the future, we'd appreciate it. The idea is: if you have a substantive point, make it thoughtfully; if not, please don't comment until you do—regardless of how wrong others are or you feel they are.

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by KerrAvon on Monday October 09, 2023 @06:16PM (#37826148)
We can see the racism through the codewords. How about keeping it to yourself?
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by fyrn_ on Monday October 09, 2023 @06:26PM (#37826223)
GP doesn't exactly seem fun at parties, but calling them racist seems pretty extreme
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by eraser215 on Monday October 09, 2023 @06:26PM (#37826228)
I spotted that too. By contrast I'd prefer this person shouted it out loud without code so that everybody could see them for who they are.
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by gorjusborg on Monday October 09, 2023 @06:22PM (#37826180)
What codewords would those be?
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by linuxftw on Monday October 09, 2023 @07:14PM (#37826650)
No racism implied. I just don't prefer the communist infiltration of society by the liberal arts majors. They're divisive, net-negatives and a sign that a corporation is now doing activism instead of being a neutral place to work.
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by rossjudson on Monday October 09, 2023 @07:47PM (#37826898)
Uh, you just called the position of Chief Diversity Officer "Corporate Welfare". That's not really on the "implied" side of the fence. It's more on the "just saying it directly" side.
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by linuxftw on Monday October 09, 2023 @08:06PM (#37827012)
It is corporate welfare. It's hiring people with no useful skills to espouse communist propaganda within your organization. Why? Because it's cheaper to do that than to make meaningful changes to your hiring practice that would actually improve the ability of disadvantaged people to get real jobs in engineering.
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by myownpetard on Monday October 09, 2023 @08:34PM (#37827216)
Nobody in the C-suite of a corporation is a communist. That's like saying the HR department exists to help unionize the workers.

These are some wild takes, it's only Monday my dude.

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by phpisthebest on Monday October 09, 2023 @08:51PM (#37827362)
>> my dude.

Talk about code words.... that right this is big code word...

If you know, you know.

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by Capricorn2481 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @12:55AM (#37828630)
Names like phpisthebest and linuxftw have to come from the same mind
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by yladiz on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @01:01AM (#37828662)
I don’t know, please help me and explain what this code word means.
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by phpisthebest on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @11:34AM (#37833450)
"my dude" is used by people in a clear and narrow ideological perspective, if you see someone using "my dude" in the context where I can predict their political bent, and position on just about every social issue facing society today
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by DonHopkins on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:42PM (#37836530)
I have no idea what you're talking about, my dude. I am just using it because it seems trendy today, otherwise I have never heard it before, my dude.
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by myownpetard on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:50PM (#37836610)
I think its use probably has a loose correlation to younger, east coast, Big Lebowski fans.

Which as we know puts you down an irreversible ideological path of... something?

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by DonHopkins on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:19PM (#37836924)
"php" is used by people in a clear and narrow ideological perspective, if you see someone using "php" in the context where I can predict their political bent, and position on just about every social issue facing society today
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by dang on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @12:46PM (#37846834)
Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

This is in the site guidelines:

"Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead."

a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by willdr on Monday October 09, 2023 @08:26PM (#37827142)
You have no meaningful understanding of "communism". And I see you denying climate change in another thread, so it's probably safe to say that your opinions are worth very little.
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by eraser215 on Monday October 09, 2023 @10:00PM (#37827776)
"communist propaganda". Again, another public artifact of you making yourself look like a complete embarrassment. Thanks for sharing.
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by dang on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @12:46PM (#37846847)
Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by dang on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @12:45PM (#37846833)
You started a hellish flamewar in this thread, and perpetuated it badly. If you keep doing this, we're going to have to ban you. We've had to warn you about this more than once already.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by ajkjk on Monday October 09, 2023 @08:49PM (#37827347)
You're not getting anybody on your side with your completely bewildering use of the word "communist". It's not, like, the 1950s. You don't sound remotely sane when calling anything you dislike "communism".
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by phero_cnstrcts on Monday October 09, 2023 @07:31PM (#37826780)
What words exactly?
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by soundnote on Monday October 09, 2023 @08:26PM (#37827147)
Hating ideologally obsessed activists and hating people for the color of their skin are not even close to the same thing.

It's true rainbow activist types use sexual orientations and minorities as shields when their politics get criticized, as already seen above.

If people say "listen to gay people" they hardly mean say, UK writer Douglas Murray or the activist group Gays Against Groomers.

If people say to listen to black people, I'm quite sure they don't mean economist Thomas Sowell.

If they say transpeople, they definitely don't mean Scott Newgent of "What is a Woman?" fame.

But they don't mean Newgent either. All these people have the correct identity groups, but they're no-nos because they have the wrong politics. The DEI people clamoring for better representation definitely don't want offices staffed with Sowells and Murrays. Because the identity is just a shield, and the politics is the point, as eg. Rep. Ayanna Pressley put when she said they need "more black faces willing to be a black voice" - again, Sowell certainly is black and has a voice, but Pressley meant having the correct politics to count as representative.

Wanting less DEI is wanting less of a certain kind of politics, not wanting less people of whatever sexual orientation or skin colour. Because the politics is the point.

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by Eisenstein on Monday October 09, 2023 @09:50PM (#37827718)
Make no mistake that both sides on these issues contain ideologically motivated groups. However one group proposes something that benefits marginalized people, and the other seems to only to propose things in opposition.

I have found that reactionary positions are not good ones and contain people who don't know what they want, only what they are opposed to.

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by eraser215 on Monday October 09, 2023 @10:25PM (#37827920)
Hear hear.
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by soundnote on Monday October 09, 2023 @10:45PM (#37828006)
> However one group proposes something that benefits marginalized people

Do they? A lot of the benefits of DEI policies are simply more quotas for people who were already well off and capable of gainful employment, where it's more inter-elite competition than anything.

But what of the actually underprivileged? I can't fathom a way in which forbidding teachers from keeping order in class (because discipline problems are unevenly distributed, and thus racist - I wish I was kidding) helps actual minority kids from genuinely underprivileged situations. Instead, the teachers are mandated to aid and abet the very dysfunctions that keep them down.

Or what's shown in this tweet? https://twitter.com/FreeBlckThought/status/17085822241767754...

Active recommendation that "Schools should NOT 'encourage students to change their behavior or families to do more things that were like white families do, like reading to their children or adopting a growth mindset'"

These are upper class ideologues adopting nice-sounding, feelgood ideas, inflicting them on genuinely underprivileged people, and won't themselves have to pay for the consequences of these beliefs. The poor black kids will pick up the tab.

A friend of mine commented on the video that: "People who really, actually hate minorities and want to destroy their children's futures must feel so frustrated that teachers' unions, Ed schools, and school bureaucracies have left them with nothing more to do. Clearly, the point of education is to keep kids doing what they were already doing that was working so well."

These very same education people will, if asked, swear that poverty causes dysfunctions and bad outcomes, but we should never ever try to drag people out of those dysfunctions.

This is what I meant above: The politics are the point, and this shit is a disaster, as far as I can tell. I couldn't imagine better policies to tear people down if I tried. And the teaching establishment gets lauded for it.

And this is just the stuff disguised as kindness, or born of misplaced kindness. It's not getting into the actively hateful side of their culture, because they have carte blanche to spread hate, if the target is right.

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by TMWNN on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:42AM (#37830456)
>Active recommendation that "Schools should NOT 'encourage students to change their behavior or families to do more things that were like white families do, like reading to their children or adopting a growth mindset'"

The Smithsonian—*The Smithsonian*—did the same thing. Three years later I still can't believe it. <https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/artic...>

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by soundnote on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @06:47PM (#37851351)
The Smithsonian's chart is one part stunning in its various bigotries and one part just tiresome in how predictable and accepted things like that are in the modern day.
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by NegativeK on Monday October 09, 2023 @06:12PM (#37826113)
> Everyone has Mac Books now.

I don't even work there and I know that this is, at the least, hyperbole.

Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by dralley on Monday October 09, 2023 @06:45PM (#37826393)
I do work there and it's total BS, certainly as far as engineering goes. Maybe in marketing / sales / HR the story is different, but the overwhelming majority of engineering, support and QE (including the management chain) use Thinkpads with Fedora or RHEL.
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by mathisfun123 on Monday October 09, 2023 @08:30PM (#37827179)
This person is a climate-change denier, anti-vax, and below they're talking about Communist infiltration. Talk about fitting a mold lol.
Re:John Riccitiello steps down as CEO of Unity after pricing... by Qwertious on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:07AM (#37829613)
>Do not perpetuate the myth that the vaccines slowed the spread.

Oh wow, you're not kidding.