Re:Companies that are beating the West
by danbruc on Saturday October 07, 2023 @05:37AM
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Beating the West seems to have quite a negative connotation. Why not just be happy that the rest of the world is catching up and that wealth differences are hopefully shrinking?
Re:Companies that are beating the West
by Chris2048 on Saturday October 07, 2023 @05:57AM
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> wealth differences are hopefully shrinking
Doesn't that just mean multiple superpowers? Do you think co-operation on topics such as global warming will increase, or decrease, with such competition?
Re:Companies that are beating the West
by EdwardDiego on Saturday October 07, 2023 @06:31AM
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Inequality and power imbalances are not great in any kind of relationship. Same goes for international relationships.
Shit, the reason we didn't end up in global thermonuclear war is because the USSR and USA were roughly equal in their ability to render sterile large parts of the world. MAD was the ultimate equality in the darkest Strangelovian way.
Look at how Russia has acted since it stopped being a superpower. It's far more unpredictable, but at a regional level not global. They can't really do global anymore.
Re:Companies that are beating the West
by Chris2048 on Saturday October 07, 2023 @08:57AM
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And is MAD improved by having more participants? Maybe throw in one or two religious death cult states?
Pretending there is a general rules that applies equally to all roles of "relationship" is naive, an idealistic oversimplification of international politics.
> Look at how Russia has acted since it stopped being a superpower.
so let's give them more nukes and money to calm them down? or alternatively, don't let any new Russias emerge.
Re:Companies that are beating the West
by danbruc on Saturday October 07, 2023 @06:11AM
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Does it matter? Unless you are suggesting that we should actively try to maintain a wealth differential across the globe, it will just be what it will be. And I do not think that a single factor will be deciding, there will be most likely various ways to shape all kinds of policies.
Re:Companies that are beating the West
by Chris2048 on Saturday October 07, 2023 @06:20AM
(#37800515)
If humanity it to survive, then yes it matters. And it's better global conditions improve via cooperative trade, then opportunistic trade e.g. weapons sales.
Re:Companies that are beating the West
by shswkna on Saturday October 07, 2023 @09:19AM
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I detect a veiled authoritarian tendency in your posts, or I may be reading it wrongly.
What I read between the lines is that cooperation and coordination on topics such as global warming are only possible with a dominant west?
As a person with western origin I would not want the west to falter or disappear - don’t get me wrong.
But the west does not own the key to bringing good into the world.
Is the assertion of western global dominance the only way to solve world problems? My question is not rhetorical. Just grappling with this question should be productive.
Re:Companies that are beating the West
by Chris2048 on Saturday October 07, 2023 @09:38AM
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I detect a veiled personal attack, stay on topic and keep it civil please. I didn't offer any labels for myself, nor subscribe to them.
I don't provide any blueprint for successful cooperation, I'm just saying increasing the wealth of any random nation for the sake of it (or something about equality) ignoring context or impact doesn't make sense. It didn't need to be "the west", and many would consider Russia to be western, it just needs to be a political unit capable of progress on issues of the commons.
Re:Companies that are beating the West
by shswkna on Saturday October 07, 2023 @10:37AM
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I have heard that angle of argument recently (that distribution/diversity for the sake of it is not inherently better) and must concede it is worth considering.
But in this case, it is about actual companies that have been successful and proven it. That in itself is rather a celebration of the western concept that ideas and the private pursuit of them can yield successful outcomes that are an improvement to the world vs. them not being there.
Re:Companies that are beating the West
by danbruc on Saturday October 07, 2023 @11:09AM
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Increasing the wealth of a random nation for the sake of it? Or something about equality? Seriously? Would you say the same thing if you were on the less wealthy side? No worries, it is fine to be poor, I understand that this is necessary to keep the world turning.
Re:Companies that are beating the West
by refurb on Saturday October 07, 2023 @06:20AM
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It's a weird article.
Doesn't mention that Vietnam requires registration to use the app including linking it to a cell number that is registered with a passport or Vietnam ID.
Re:Companies that are beating the West
by palmfacehn on Saturday October 07, 2023 @07:01AM
(#37800682)
We should all applaud entrepreneurs building productive businesses and contributing to the world's economy. Not sure how or why it is beneficial to frame everything through identity politics, national origin or even regional rivalry. This domain frequently has an axe to grind.
Re:Companies that are beating the West
by not_enoch_wise on Saturday October 07, 2023 @07:40AM
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Binance is indeed crushing it in the crypto market, by shrewdly positioning fraud not as a mere consequence of crypto, but as a direct goal of the business model!
Re:Companies that are beating the West
by benknight87 on Saturday October 07, 2023 @11:48AM
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As an American living in Vietnam I use a number of these apps, particularly Shopee, Grab, Zalo. Also used Naver a lot when I lived in Seoul. Except for Grab, which is a legit super app, I'd rather use American tech because it's just better. Tech talent in these markets is lacking and they're all chasing the examples already set by big US tech rather than innovating their own stuff.
Doesn't that just mean multiple superpowers? Do you think co-operation on topics such as global warming will increase, or decrease, with such competition?
Shit, the reason we didn't end up in global thermonuclear war is because the USSR and USA were roughly equal in their ability to render sterile large parts of the world. MAD was the ultimate equality in the darkest Strangelovian way.
Look at how Russia has acted since it stopped being a superpower. It's far more unpredictable, but at a regional level not global. They can't really do global anymore.
Pretending there is a general rules that applies equally to all roles of "relationship" is naive, an idealistic oversimplification of international politics.
> Look at how Russia has acted since it stopped being a superpower.
so let's give them more nukes and money to calm them down? or alternatively, don't let any new Russias emerge.
What I read between the lines is that cooperation and coordination on topics such as global warming are only possible with a dominant west?
As a person with western origin I would not want the west to falter or disappear - don’t get me wrong.
But the west does not own the key to bringing good into the world.
Is the assertion of western global dominance the only way to solve world problems? My question is not rhetorical. Just grappling with this question should be productive.
I don't provide any blueprint for successful cooperation, I'm just saying increasing the wealth of any random nation for the sake of it (or something about equality) ignoring context or impact doesn't make sense. It didn't need to be "the west", and many would consider Russia to be western, it just needs to be a political unit capable of progress on issues of the commons.
But in this case, it is about actual companies that have been successful and proven it. That in itself is rather a celebration of the western concept that ideas and the private pursuit of them can yield successful outcomes that are an improvement to the world vs. them not being there.
These are actual questions i'd specifically want you to answer, since you seems not to be engaging in good faith.
Doesn't mention that Vietnam requires registration to use the app including linking it to a cell number that is registered with a passport or Vietnam ID.
In many situations it’s not really even competition as it’s not like PayPal is trying to make inroads to MPesa’s market in Kenya.
It's almost like gaming, where everyone is playing ToTK until the next AAA title comes along, and the previous one quickly becomes history.
Ah yes: platforms, apps & games. Many similarities. :-)