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Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by bigstrat2003 on Thursday October 05, 2023 @07:04PM (#37785335)
> It's the act of solving the problem not the code itself that entirely matters.

I don't necessarily disagree with this, but if you just regurgitate code that a bot gives you, are you actually solving the problem? Every time I see someone post "I asked ChatGPT and it says x", it seems pretty clear to me that the poster doesn't actually understand the topic and just handed it off to the bot.

> Code is simply an unfortunate vehicle to do so.

It makes me sad that people feel this way. I got into programming because I love writing code. It's exhilarating, there's nothing I would rather do with my life. What you're saying is kind of like if you said "working with the wood is just the unfortunate vehicle for making furniture, so much the better if you can use a CNC machine". You certainly can make furniture more efficiently with tools like that, but it also sucks the joy out of the process.

Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by mikeravkine on Thursday October 05, 2023 @07:18PM (#37785437)
I always write the fun bits of code myself, it's usually easier then explaining to the model what I want anyway.. but like 80% of any project is scaffolding or plumbing, The Machine can do that for me with 10x speed and precision without taking any enjoyment away from me.
Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by bigstrat2003 on Thursday October 05, 2023 @07:30PM (#37785538)
That's what I'm saying, though. It's all fun for me. Whenever people talk about boilerplate as if it's an onerous requirement, I can't relate. Because I enjoy writing even the most mundane code.

Right now, I think machine generation of code is not usable because you can't trust it. The current tools are known to confidently give wrong answers, and accordingly I don't trust them (same as I wouldn't trust a human teammate who did that). But I think that's a problem which will be solved, and once that happens it'll be quite simple. Developers who use such tools will outcompete those who don't, so everyone will have to adapt or die.

I'm not worried about not having a job, because I have been in the tech world long enough to know you have to be ready to adapt. I'll adapt, and I'll keep on trucking. But I do think that I will stop enjoying my job, and that makes me sad.

Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by smabie on Thursday October 05, 2023 @10:57PM (#37786712)
Who's to say rapidly building something with an LLM isn't more exhilarating?

ChatGPT and Copilot definitely increase productivity by a non trivial margin and atleast in my experience, I never once thought "Oh I wish I had written that code by hand." In fact, I feel the opposite: LLMs take out the drudgery of much coding and allow you to focus on writing code for the difficult parts.

Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by bigstrat2003 on Thursday October 05, 2023 @11:52PM (#37786961)
I mean... me, since I'm speaking for myself.
Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by smabie on Friday October 06, 2023 @12:03AM (#37787008)
I mean do you feel the same way about using a library since it reduces the amount of code you have to write?

Like your position doesn't really make sense to me because you're saying you want to write all the code yourself, but you already don't write all the code yourself. Like what's the difference between using a library someone else wrote vs a LLM implementing that functionality for you?

Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by bigstrat2003 on Friday October 06, 2023 @12:19AM (#37787085)
Depends on the project. Sometimes I do use libraries and sometimes I don't. But either way, there's a huge difference imo between using libraries and using an LLM. When using a library, I'm still writing code myself. When using an LLM, I'm just doing a newer version of copy pasting stack overflow answers. If other people don't see it that way, more power to them, but I can't really find fulfillment in doing that.
Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by Kiro on Friday October 06, 2023 @03:37AM (#37788120)
I find it extremely exhilarating when an AI successfully helps me to solve a complex problem. I thought AI was only good for reducing boilerplate and "copypasting" tedious tasks (which it is, through Copilot) but now I get excited when I get stuck and get to talk with ChatGPT about it. We iterate through several solutions and discuss various short-comings as well as debugging them. I love it and it has only increased my passion for programming.
Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by spaceman_2020 on Friday October 06, 2023 @02:46AM (#37787843)
I’m 34. I started learning to code in early 2022 when I was nearly 33.

The difference between what I was able to build before and after chatGPT is miles apart.