Well this is a fun new twist on climate denial.
I have a hard time understanding how you can believe this when we've already seen incredible and costly damage in the US caused by climate change in just the last few years. Insurers are pulling out of Florida because they can't afford the increased risk and the entire insurance industry is at risk of catastrophic failure if extreme events keep getting more extreme [0].
> More solar power, less money spent on heating, less dependent on foreign resources etc etc etc.
What? Climate change means less predictable weather, not more sunny days; I think people in Texas would have a hard time buying your argument for "less spent on heating"; less dependent on foreign resources is another way of say "reduced global trade" which has been and continues to be a major part of our economy.
0. https://www.wsj.com/finance/insurance-catastrophe-reinsuranc...
From his Wikipedia article:
> Although Luntz later tried to distance himself from the Bush administration policy, it was his idea that administration communications reframe global warming as climate change since "climate change" was thought to sound less severe.
The memo you are referring to happened well over 20 years later. The term was not created by Frank Luntz.
>In the 1980s, the terms global warming and climate change became more common. Though the two terms are sometimes used interchangeably,[24] scientifically, global warming refers only to increased surface warming, while climate change describes the totality of changes to Earth's climate system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change#Terminology
https://web.archive.org/web/20100809221926/http://www.nasa.g...
TBF I'm growing more and more apathetic to this whole "economy" thing. Unbounded growth is what led us to the present problem in the first place. What about we try to optimize for quality of life instead of quantity of made-up number?
That's still economic growth. I don't know about you, but I would like there to be treatments for medical issues that aren't curable yet. I would also like to get improvements in life in general like better insulation, better water etc. The sum of all of that improvements is economic growth though.
Just look at the mean salary in US vs western EU, but compare healthcare, access to education, public transport. EU still has a very long way to go, but I think it's proof enough that "line go up" is very different from (even if correlated to) actual quality of life.
Aren't solar cells led efficient at higher temperatures?
But the rest of your point does stand. Europe is pretty far north, as is Russia and Canada and even the northern parts of the US.
Solar systems are not an exception.
It’s funny how something considered racist is now considered necessary now that the migrants are being dumped in their front yards.
[1] https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/05/politics/biden-administration...
I also worry that hardening the infrastructure in first world countries is going to be very expensive. Especially if the developing countries are so badly affected that they can't provide the normal supplies of food, minerals, ores, etc.
It's not about whether it will be good or bad to live in a warmer climate. Maybe it would be better. But the rate of change is the danger. If we were slowly warming over the course of millenia, it'd be a different story. But 2C of warming over less than 100 years is something the planet has never seen before, and that we are ill equipped to deal with.
Which is why you need to posit a causal mechanism.
To say current climate models are overly narrowing the problem domain as to exclude purely natural factors (assuming humanity is not part of nature, but that’s an ontological discussion) you would need to provide an alternative one which can predict past and future pathways.
It would also need to be at least as good and not rely on improbable assumptions… which is one reason climate scientists favor the anthropogenic models.
We also know the NOAA revised older temperature data downwards.
The planet has been warming for the last 10k years. Do you see most of the entire northern hemisphere covered in ice?
This is silly. We know the precise chemical makeup of earth's atmosphere, and by extension its' climate, going back hundreds of thousands of years through antarctic ice core samples, which can be dated to a resolution of less than a hundred years. We are in an absolutely unprecedented time of change right now in the entire history of our species existence.
https://www.bas.ac.uk/data/our-data/publication/ice-cores-an...
Figure 5 indicates there's a 10-15 degree rise in temperature in around 200 years 45k years ago.
In any case, the data is not granular enough, nor are the enough samples to make any kind of determination on a global scale.
> During the last glacial period, Greenland experienced a sequence of very fast warmings (see Fig. 5). The temperature increased by more than 10°C within a few decades. Other records show us that major changes in atmospheric circulation and climate were experienced all around the northern hemisphere. Antarctica and the Southern Ocean experienced a different pattern, consistent with the idea that these rapid jumps were caused by sudden changes in the transport of heat in the ocean.
So what you're seeing is not a 10-15 degree rise in global temperature, but an oversized effect on Greenland in one direction (while other parts of the world were experiencing different effects in different directions).a
Anyway, it's very likely that the younger dryas had a much sharper shift in temperature.
We have precise records from antarctic core samples that can say with near absolute certainty what our climate looked like for hundreds of thousands of years. I won't argue any further about basic chemistry.
>very likely that the younger dryas had a much sharper shift in temperature.
...which was a catastrophic event for humanity that nearly wiped us out as a species. So yeah, point taken.
But furthermore, what exactly do you have to gain here by claiming that the sky isn't blue? That is the number one thing that confuses me about this idiocy. The earth is warming, and that will cause massive problems for society. It's a cut and dry fact of reality, regardless of your opinions.
Cool story, bro.
The antarctic ice cores contain valuable information, but they do definitely not tell a complete story of neither temperatures, nor anything else across the whole globe on a granular time scale.
> ...which was a catastrophic event for humanity, and led to the winnowing of our population to less than 100,000 individuals. So yeah, point taken.
Yes, it wasn't fun. But then again people seemed to die when temperatures went very quickly down, and thrive very well when they shortly after increased again.
Anyway, you just wrote that such temperature shifts had never happened before. And now you say that it did naturally, not so long ago.
What I've got to gain on calling out bad apocalyptic propaganda? I might just be able to avoid the cure for 2C temperature increase, which looks like it may very well make life completely miserable for almost everyone.
As they say, the cure for climate change is the disease it claims it's fighting.
Explicitly what's wrong with listening to Joe Rogan ?
Plenty of really cool guests on there
Ehh, he's not particularly awful himself. It's just that his show serves as the entry way to the crazy funnel (Jones, Peterson, Tate, et. al.) for impressionable young men, which then leads to things like climate change denial and other (worse) conspiracy theories taking root.
Mostly it's just an indicator of poor critical thinking skills than anything else. Kind of like how it's been shown that the single most reliable indicator someone will believe in a given conspiracy theory is whether they believe any others, even completely unrelated ones.
If you care more about the price of energy than the price of bread, sure.
Like, increased heat is already causing rails to heat up, forcing railroad delays[1], which will eventually translate into more expensive shipping for everything. And if we start getting Wet Bulb 95 conditions[2] then an afternoon power outage in any American city will lead to a million dead (the homeless will die either way in these conditions).
[1] https://ggwash.org/view/90938/summer-heat-means-longer-amtra...
[2] https://climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/3151/too-h....
This is complete speculation. And the annual variation in temperature of ~50 degrees C many places on earth, does not really support it.
Ummm, hello? so "most anomalously hot month ever" does not suggest a change in the underlying system??
Would you predict that handrails in Arizona now can give 3rd degree burns? https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/24/health/arizona-heat-burns-er/...
Because I remember conversations like this when I was growing up:
"Mommy, can I go to the playground?" "No, Johnny, the slide will fry your ass"
"equilibrium so precarious that a couple degrees in mean temperature change" does not really mesh very well with having annual (and even daily) variation much larger.
If you never experienced a hot slide as a kid, maybe you were just coddled? Lots of the modern so-called environmentalism is driven by people having ridiculously little first hand experience with nature or even being outdoors.
I'm a global warming believer, but I'm starting to question whether the planet warming won't actually be posivite for a lot of first world economies. More solar power, less money spent on heating, less dependent on foreign resources etc etc etc. Meanwhile, poor countries will take the brunt of the disasters due to geography and lack of own resources.
If the rich turn out richer and the poor poorer due to man-made global warming, I do believe we owe them help as a restitutive obligation.