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Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by kotaKat on Monday October 02, 2023 @09:45AM (#37738031)
> All Chromebook Plus laptops come with the the following guaranteed hardware specs:

> CPU: Intel Core i3 12th Gen or above, or AMD Ryzen 3 7000 series or above

> RAM: 8GB+

> Storage: 128GB+

> Webcamera: 1080p+ with Temporal Noise Reduction

> Display: Full HD IPS or better display

It feels a little weird and sad that an i3 is the bar to make something "plus" in performance.

Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by matthewaveryusa on Monday October 02, 2023 @09:56AM (#37738182)
The price point of the i3 ~100 dollars, and the fact that most applications will not be CPU bound by an i3 are the driving factors. The clock speed is one thing, but the instruction sets really provide everything that's needed that would otherwise peg your cpu (notably quick sync, but also aesni, avx2.) It's a testament to bad software (minus games) if the thing you're running can't be handled by an i3 with ease.
Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by FirmwareBurner on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:21AM (#37738499)
>The price point of the i3 ~100 dollars

Where? The article mentions $399.

Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by mstkllah on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:23AM (#37738535)
They mean the CPU itself, not the whole laptop.
Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by FirmwareBurner on Monday October 02, 2023 @01:12PM (#37741231)
Sorry, from the context I understood "the i3 model"
Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by creshal on Monday October 02, 2023 @09:53AM (#37738132)
> It feels a little weird and sad that an i3 is the bar to make something "plus" in performance.

Compared to the Celerons found on some Chromebooks, it still counts.

…but there were already plenty of i3 (or even i5, or even R7) Chromebooks with 8 or 16 GB RAM on the market, even at the price point. I don't know what the news is supposed to be here.

Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by agloe_dreams on Monday October 02, 2023 @09:58AM (#37738205)
The news is that those models with an i3+ and 8GB of ram will be branded differently to 'help inform the customer of enhanced performance and abilities'. They are trying to shed the image of all chromebooks being thought of by the $159 one that the school gave their kid.
Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by dmvdoug on Monday October 02, 2023 @02:42PM (#37742584)
Indeed, I’m reading the comments on this post because my only experience of Chromebooks is with the cart of them that my students use at school. And that experience has been such a wonderful one that I literally threw one into the trashcan in frustration one day trying to get it to work.
Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by agloe_dreams on Monday October 02, 2023 @09:52AM (#37738112)
In fairness, a 12th Gen i3 is not massively far from an M1. The iX branding has become a little silly lately as a user who is not hardcore pushing the system could not possibly tell the difference between a 1215u and a 1235u.
Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by mnemoni_c on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:00AM (#37738232)
i3 is probably still associated with "can barely hold 3+ apps open" era but thats not the case for many years now
Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by bee_rider on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:09AM (#37738365)
That seems more like a memory/hard drive issue.

Ever since the Core 2 product line, intel’s CPUs have all been fine for stuff like office use (browsing, editing files, reading email).

Well other than atoms obviously.

Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by zxexz on Monday October 02, 2023 @11:16AM (#37739237)
I still use a core 2 duo some days. For basic web browsing (albeit with a pihole on the network) and shelling, it works fine. I think it’s the longest running machine I have.

A Thinkpad X200 - not wiped in 13 years (since installing Arch). Truly a frankenstein’s monster of a machine now. Hardware mods are so easy on this thing - I switched to an SSD probably 10 years ago, some RAM upgrades. Upgraded Wi-Fi card a few times (mostly based off mainline kernel driver support). Touchpad a couple times, keyboard at least the same. Keeping Arch running on this machine without wiping everything is the only think keeping my Linux skills sharp in the era of company-issued macs.

Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by philsnow on Monday October 02, 2023 @11:50AM (#37739717)
A quality-of-life upgrade you might be interested in: https://www.tindie.com/products/mikepdiy/lenovo-charging-por...

I had to replace the charging port in my x220, but I did not use this usb-c one, because I didn't know at the time that it existed. It's a lengthy job (the power port is one of the first parts put into the chassis / last parts to come out) but satisfying.

Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by bee_rider on Monday October 02, 2023 @12:00PM (#37739890)
That is pretty cool.

I installed to an SSD in an enclosure with the hopes that it could become an eternal install that I just bring from machine to machine (perhaps DD-ing over to a new drive as SSDs advance). So far is has gone fine for like 5 or so years, but I haven’t really found the need to upgrade since then, so it is really just living as a single desktop.

Actually, this may have inspired me to try plugging it in to another machine tonight just to make sure it hadn’t gotten too dependent on that hardware. What kind of Frankenstein would I be if my monster was constrained to a single body?

Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by thomastjeffery on Monday October 02, 2023 @01:22PM (#37741418)
This is the itch that NixOS scratches.

One of these days, it will actually have good UX...

Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by smoldesu on Monday October 02, 2023 @02:17PM (#37742240)
reads in Pee-wee Herman voice (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEGywhma69E)

This... is NixOS. Immutable root. It isn't glamorous, or cool, or kid's stuff. It's the most addictive kind of package manager, and it can kill your motivation to work on actual packages. What's really bad is, nobody knows how much you'll need. Every time you use it, you risk your sanity. It isn't worth it.

Look: everybody wants to be cool. But doing it with NixOS doesn't just take long, it could be dead long.

(Disclaimer: I love Nix and couldn't leave it if I tried)

Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by thomastjeffery on Monday October 02, 2023 @03:31PM (#37743235)
The insane part is that all it needs is good documentation.

Where is it written that steam-run will magically execute most binaries without patching them? Certainly[1] not in the article that tells you how and why to patch binaries!

[1] I see now that it's linked to at the bottom "See also" section. Still awful, IMHO.

Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by smoldesu on Monday October 02, 2023 @05:32PM (#37744710)
> Where is it written that steam-run will magically execute most binaries without patching them?

Somewhere in here: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-runtime

:p

But I do get what you're saying. Once Flakes are default, I hope people start a proper push to clear up documentation and streamline the development process. The end-result is amazing, and the perfect OS/packaging system for my needs. The means of getting there... need a lot of work. I'm along for the ride either way.

Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by kilolima on Monday October 02, 2023 @02:51PM (#37742706)
I did this for a few years with one SSD in various laptops or desktops as logisitics warranted. Desktop at home, 12in Thinkpad while traveling, 14in Thinkpad at work. It was easy to swap drives with the Thinkpad drive bay that they used to have.

Sadly, once most laptops went over to NVME 2280 pcie cards, it got a little too tedious to constantly swap out drives any more, and I started worrying about accidentally breaking them. Also had some weird issues with very poor write speed which I thought was overheating necessating a heat sink, but it turns out nvme speeds are actually just as slow as anything else under real workloads.

Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by bee_rider on Monday October 02, 2023 @07:14PM (#37745733)
My enclosure claims to be Thunderbolt 3 compatible, but I actually don’t know if it is operating as USB-3 or thunderbolt when I boot Linux from it. In general, it is usually fine. Although, I’ve got an OK amount of ram, so sometimes I’ll use a RAM disk if I think it is a problem.

Actually, it is kind of funny, I’ve got an NVME drive inside the actual computer. When I want to do something that requires fast drive speeds, I make a RAM drive. When I want more memory, I swap on the internal NVME drive.

Hypothetically could I end up writing to a file on the RAM disk, and then get it swapped to the internal drive? Mayyybe. I’m not sure if Linux will just call that too silly.

Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by thomastjeffery on Monday October 02, 2023 @01:20PM (#37741379)
The only downside of a core 2 duo is that they run hot.
Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by josefresco on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:12AM (#37738402)
I concur. Just swapped an HDD for an m.2 SSD on an older i3 machine and it hauls ass running Windows 11/gaming. Very impressed with the i3.
Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by qingcharles on Monday October 02, 2023 @02:17PM (#37742251)
Wow, that's good to hear. I've been so heavily biased against touching any i3 stuff from years of struggling with them.
Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by zozbot234 on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:14AM (#37738422)
Plus most Chromebooks are basically fanless and an i3 will more easily avoid running into thermal limits. It's just the right choice for this kind of usage.
Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by LordDragonfang on Monday October 02, 2023 @03:08PM (#37742920)
>a 12th Gen i3 is not massively far from an M1

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/4746vs4754vs4765vs4104/...

1215U (accounting for the overwhelming majority of "12th gen i3" laptops) is about 75% of the performance of the lowest-tier M1, so I suppose that's in the ballpark.

Performance-per-watt is still night and day, though, with both i3 laptop chips ranging from 15W base to 55W turbo, and M1 ranging from 7W to <30W.

Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by agloe_dreams on Monday October 02, 2023 @04:08PM (#37743752)
75% of an M1 is pretty damn good as when the M1 first came out it was the fastest laptop single core performance in the world.
Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by lm28469 on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:22AM (#37738519)
> It feels a little weird and sad that an i3 is the bar to make something "plus" in performance

It doesn't seem that far from an apple m1 in benchmark I can find for the i3 12100 which is the low tier of i3s

Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by elitepleb on Monday October 02, 2023 @09:58AM (#37738216)
Looking at the current product list[0] you get at least 4 cores and 4GHz.

Definitely nothing to scoff at for the market they are aiming for.

[0] https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/series/...

Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by willcipriano on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:01AM (#37738250)
12th gen i3 is more than enough for typical chromebook workloads. This thing will fly for every day tasks that you'd do on a chromebook or cheap computer (browser, learning to code, emulators)
Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by Jyaif on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:22AM (#37738510)
"i3" (or for that matter, "i5", "i7"...) means nothing in terms of performance. The generation matters a lot.

For example an i3-12100 is faster than a i7-9700F

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i3-12100... https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-9700F...

Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by happycube on Monday October 02, 2023 @11:55AM (#37739799)
Yup. And pre-8th gen most consumer i5/i7 laptops were basically dual-core i3's.
Re:Chromebook Plus: more performance and AI capabilities by tomjen3 on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:19AM (#37738486)
Yeah, not to mention that RAM. You are going to be using this likely to run multiple heavy-duty webapps, and Chrome will chew RAM in that scenario.