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Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by thsksbd on Friday September 29, 2023 @10:30PM (#37712313)
Are we?

Even your statement hints that our cities are in a state of societal collapse with increased crime - implying that things could be better. And in fact I don't think we're living in good times; rather, like pollution, we've outsourced violence out of sight. Consider:

- We are electrifying our cars off the labor of kid slaves in Congo.

- The US border is an orgy of sexual exploitation, the ravines cutting through ranchers' fields littered with bloodied children's underwear.

- Half a million soldiers have died in Ukraine over the last one and half year (be they 90% Ukrainian or Russian is irrelevant)

- A war in Congo at the start of the century killed 5 million people without much of a mention in the West

- In Europe, a human tsunami of despair breaks against the shoals of human indifference.

- In the US almost 100 000 die from opioid addiction every year caused by alienation and neglect from their neighbor. Does our low murder rate really count victims among these folks? If a pusher decides to get rid of a client that's become too annoying and laces his drugs, would anyone notice?

No, I don't think we're living in an

No, I don't think we're living in a peaceful era at all.

Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by vinay427 on Friday September 29, 2023 @10:40PM (#37712354)
> Even your statement hints that our cities are in a state of societal collapse with increased crime

Not the GP commenter, but I don’t see how their comment hints at this. Could you clarify?

> No, I don't think we're living in a peaceful era at all.

This appears to respond to a different claim than that in the parent comment based on my reading, unless I’m misinterpreting the “no” here?

Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by thsksbd on Saturday September 30, 2023 @09:55AM (#37715466)
"even the most violent contemporary American cities, and the conditions of some of our cities are absolutely tragic."

I think there a little hint there that the OP doesnt think American cities are in their golden era.

As to my peace comment, it must be put in context of the precious statement that, as violent as our cities are, we have have achieved some pacification by exporting violence.

If the Congo-US city link is too abstract, consider American jails. They are brutally violent to the point where it is suspected male-male rape might be more prominent than male-female. All of our would be urban violence that we have warehoused in our jails occurs multiple fold in our jails.

Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by kr0bat on Friday September 29, 2023 @11:03PM (#37712466)
I wouldn't even disagree with a lot of what's you're putting down, but it's not very relevant, no? Even if you believe that we've "outsourced violence" - and honestly I agree, it's all to easy to forget that a lot of our first world material conditions are predicated on cheap third world labor - there's still a difference between global exploitation, and stabbing a man to death over public urination.
Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by thsksbd on Saturday September 30, 2023 @09:50AM (#37715419)
Indeed, there is a difference.

It appears to me that, as brutal as it is to stab a man for exposing himself and dispersing his bodily fluids (not obviously sterile if he frequents brothels), it is far more uncivilized what we do: enslave children and exploit them until they drop like flies so we have the minerals necessary to upgrade our phone and greenwash our souls.

I mean are we seriously comparing the stabbing of a man who sexually exploits women, to the slow and painful death of a child that mines cobalt for our phones and EVs?

Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by astrange on Friday September 29, 2023 @11:12PM (#37712508)
> - We are electrifying our cars off the labor of kid slaves in Congo.

No we're not, eg Tesla batteries don't contain cobalt anymore.

> be they 90% Ukrainian or Russian is irrelevant

This is pro-Russian "anti-imperialism" propaganda, it's Russia's fault that Russia decided to do that and not anyone else's.

Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by quotz on Friday September 29, 2023 @11:27PM (#37712561)
If the US invaded Mexico, because Mexico would join a hypothetical military "defensive" alliance with Russia, does that put the blame on Russia or on the US? We already have the answer to this since something similar happened in the 60s which we call the Cuban Missile Crisis. The US almost invaded Cuba, did a total naval blockade that lasted 2 weeks, until Cuba surrendered and backed out of the alliance with Russia.
Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by astrange on Saturday September 30, 2023 @12:06AM (#37712697)
That's exactly what I meant about Western "anti-imperialism" actually being pro-Russia. Mostly because it was literally invented by the USSR.

Ukraine was explicitly rejected last time they tried to join NATO. Although they will get in now, and so will Finland and Sweden, so it was obviously counterproductive!

But Russia doesn't even care about that. They're just ideologically opposed to Ukraine existing and want its industrial resources back. They don't even say it themselves, you just make excuses for them.

Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by quotz on Saturday October 07, 2023 @05:40PM (#37805794)
Ukraine is nowhere near getting in nato
Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by TulliusCicero on Saturday September 30, 2023 @12:35AM (#37712794)
If the US invades a country for joining the CSTO, that's absolutely on the US.
Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by dotnet00 on Saturday September 30, 2023 @01:35AM (#37713026)
That would put the blame on the US because the US would have to have done something to provoke Mexico to want to join such an alliance.

As it stands, Mexico doesn't even bother with significant defense spending because they know that the US isn't all that interested in invading and no one else is going to try to invade a country which shares a land border with the US.

On the other hand, the various Russian neighbors who have joined or have expressed interest in joining NATO have done the same calculus and determined that Russia is cannot be relied on to not threaten their borders.

Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by thsksbd on Saturday September 30, 2023 @10:19AM (#37715675)
1. I didnt mention Tesla.

2. I didn't mention batteries. Cobalt is used in many components in EVs

3. Clearly my example was illustrative, generally, of the exploitation of children for mineral resources the country didn't use. The children in Congo is child exploitation writ large.

The kids in Congo are mining something for some application and for someone and that someone is us.

> Russia vs Ukraine

I think you misread my comment. I did not pass judgement at all on the war (on this comment at least). I was just pointing out that whether you take Kiev's numbers as true (450 000 dead Russians + 50 000 dead Ukrainians) or Moscow's (450 000 dead Ukrainians + 50 000 dead Russians) the number of dead is curiously the same.

Half a million dead souls in Donbas, no matter their nationality is a tragedy being comprehension.

Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by ksenzee on Friday September 29, 2023 @11:15PM (#37712521)
> - The US border is an orgy of sexual exploitation, the ravines cutting through ranchers’ fields littered with bloodied children’s underwear.

Citation? The US border is a humanitarian and policy disaster, but “littered with bloodied children’s underwear”?

Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by thsksbd on Saturday September 30, 2023 @09:50AM (#37715425)
There's video footage of it. Google it yourself.
Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by ksenzee on Saturday September 30, 2023 @02:02PM (#37718044)
Video footage is proof of nothing these days. I’m going to assume this is right-wing disinformation for now.
Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by thsksbd on Saturday September 30, 2023 @08:11PM (#37721234)
Do you feel the same way about George Floyd, or only those videos that challenge your biases?
Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by ksenzee on Monday October 02, 2023 @03:03PM (#37742858)
The George Floyd video, if it came out today, would by itself be proof of nothing. Journalists have to do a lot more fact-checking of video than they did a few years ago.
Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by hackerlight on Friday September 29, 2023 @11:40PM (#37712601)
> No, I don't think we're living in a peaceful era at all.

Nobody said we are. The claim is that we're living in a more peaceful era.

Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by thsksbd on Saturday September 30, 2023 @10:20AM (#37715688)
My mistake. I cant edit it anymore so let me write it here.

I don't think we're living in a more peaceful era at all