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Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by astrange on Friday September 29, 2023 @11:12PM (#37712508)
> - We are electrifying our cars off the labor of kid slaves in Congo.

No we're not, eg Tesla batteries don't contain cobalt anymore.

> be they 90% Ukrainian or Russian is irrelevant

This is pro-Russian "anti-imperialism" propaganda, it's Russia's fault that Russia decided to do that and not anyone else's.

Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by quotz on Friday September 29, 2023 @11:27PM (#37712561)
If the US invaded Mexico, because Mexico would join a hypothetical military "defensive" alliance with Russia, does that put the blame on Russia or on the US? We already have the answer to this since something similar happened in the 60s which we call the Cuban Missile Crisis. The US almost invaded Cuba, did a total naval blockade that lasted 2 weeks, until Cuba surrendered and backed out of the alliance with Russia.
Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by astrange on Saturday September 30, 2023 @12:06AM (#37712697)
That's exactly what I meant about Western "anti-imperialism" actually being pro-Russia. Mostly because it was literally invented by the USSR.

Ukraine was explicitly rejected last time they tried to join NATO. Although they will get in now, and so will Finland and Sweden, so it was obviously counterproductive!

But Russia doesn't even care about that. They're just ideologically opposed to Ukraine existing and want its industrial resources back. They don't even say it themselves, you just make excuses for them.

Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by quotz on Saturday October 07, 2023 @05:40PM (#37805794)
Ukraine is nowhere near getting in nato
Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by TulliusCicero on Saturday September 30, 2023 @12:35AM (#37712794)
If the US invades a country for joining the CSTO, that's absolutely on the US.
Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by dotnet00 on Saturday September 30, 2023 @01:35AM (#37713026)
That would put the blame on the US because the US would have to have done something to provoke Mexico to want to join such an alliance.

As it stands, Mexico doesn't even bother with significant defense spending because they know that the US isn't all that interested in invading and no one else is going to try to invade a country which shares a land border with the US.

On the other hand, the various Russian neighbors who have joined or have expressed interest in joining NATO have done the same calculus and determined that Russia is cannot be relied on to not threaten their borders.

Re:Students made Oxford murder capital of late medieval Engl... by thsksbd on Saturday September 30, 2023 @10:19AM (#37715675)
1. I didnt mention Tesla.

2. I didn't mention batteries. Cobalt is used in many components in EVs

3. Clearly my example was illustrative, generally, of the exploitation of children for mineral resources the country didn't use. The children in Congo is child exploitation writ large.

The kids in Congo are mining something for some application and for someone and that someone is us.

> Russia vs Ukraine

I think you misread my comment. I did not pass judgement at all on the war (on this comment at least). I was just pointing out that whether you take Kiev's numbers as true (450 000 dead Russians + 50 000 dead Ukrainians) or Moscow's (450 000 dead Ukrainians + 50 000 dead Russians) the number of dead is curiously the same.

Half a million dead souls in Donbas, no matter their nationality is a tragedy being comprehension.