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Re:Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean ... by hatsix on Thursday September 28, 2023 @09:12PM (#37698126)
then you should check out SongTradr's other recent acquisition, 7digital.com... not only do they have flac, but many have 16 and 24bit available.
Re:Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean ... by PaulDavisThe1st on Thursday September 28, 2023 @09:20PM (#37698187)
There's no difference in the data that will be delivered to you DAC using flac or whatever the non-compressed version was.

flac is a lossless format. If it started as 24 bit wav, nothing is lost when you get the flac version of that. it's just smaller.

Re:Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean ... by hatsix on Thursday September 28, 2023 @11:57PM (#37699117)
if you digitized at 24 bit, then 16 bit is technically compressed. with flac, the waveforms aren't compressed, but the amplitude is, so audio buffs claim they can hear more separation. I can't hear it, but I also can't taste the difference between coffee bean origins, but I know people who can.
Re:Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean ... by PaulDavisThe1st on Friday September 29, 2023 @12:28AM (#37699269)
FLAC supports bit depths between 4 and 32 bits per sample (the reference decoders only support up to 24 bits per sampl). Other than that, it does not change the bit depth of the data.
Re:Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean ... by pdntspa on Friday September 29, 2023 @01:15AM (#37699545)
I'm pretty sure the 16-vs-24 thing has been proven already. 24-bit only really makes sense if you're fucking with the material. Same with 44.1khz vs higher sample rates.
Re:Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean ... by astrange on Friday September 29, 2023 @01:20AM (#37699574)
You could hear the difference with a 24 to 16 conversion only because it usually involves dithering, which means there is some injected noise. If they choose not to do that, 16-bit dynamic range is enough to store someone whispering in your ear next to a running jet engine.
Re:Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean ... by Dylan16807 on Friday September 29, 2023 @02:35AM (#37700041)
According charts in google, a jet engine at 100 yards distance is 105dB louder than a whisper. 16 bits can do 96dB without dither.

More importantly, the problem isn't trying to hear 96dB of range all at once. The baseline is fixed in place, so when you have a quiet section all those high bits are 0 and you need the low bits to have enough detail by themselves. And a whisper is pretty far from the quietest thing you might have in a track.

If you can hear the dithering noise, then I'm pretty sure there are sounds you're hearing that would be wrong or missing without the dither.

Re:Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean ... by astrange on Friday September 29, 2023 @02:46AM (#37700112)
It's not a binary decision, there are different dithering algorithms with different noise frequencies.
Re:Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean ... by TomSwirly on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @03:19AM (#37748815)
FLAC is a lossless encoding. You can reverse it and get a bit-for-bit identical WAV file.
Re:Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean ... by joveian on Friday September 29, 2023 @04:46PM (#37709895)
Unfortunately, that is a big if and is frequently an issue on Bandcamp where stuff you get in flac has been passed through some lossy format. 7digital often sells flac for more money so hopefully that makes them more likely to verify that they are actually lossless (I haven't found an issue from them but only have a few albums there since the negative of them is the distributer model that is heavily geographically restricted).
Re:Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean ... by pdntspa on Friday September 29, 2023 @01:19AM (#37699569)
They have the same problem as nearly every other digital music store that isn't beatport.... and that is that they aren't beatport (or rather, they don't have beatport's catalog)
Re:Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean ... by davidgerard on Friday September 29, 2023 @03:51AM (#37700568)
that's interesting, sounds like they're on a bit of a buying spree too?

7Digital is one of those money-losing companies that keeps being passed from owner to owner.

Re:Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean ... by weinzierl on Friday September 29, 2023 @04:56AM (#37701042)
7digital also removes content occasionally, so be sure to download and archive what you've bought.
Re:Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean ... by vintermann on Friday September 29, 2023 @06:10AM (#37701523)
Afaik 7digital is the main backing service of a lot of streaming sites like qobuz and Deezer.

7digital is chock full of spam. Spotify, for all their faults, has some people who care about quality on those sort of things (the old Echo Nest people). 7digital and their white-label frontends don't, they're skeleton crew operations.

I hope they understand, they can't run Bandcamp like that. Bandcamp has had problems like this in the past, with people spamming the services with other people's music and pretending to be them. It happened to an old classmate of mine who's a reasonably well known Jazz musician. Someone pretended to be her on Bandcamp for years.

If this roll-up company plans to run Bandcamp like 7digital, there will be a ton more of stuff like that.

Re:Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean ... by hatsix on Friday September 29, 2023 @11:59AM (#37706142)
7digital doesn't accept music directly from artists, it's up to their distributor to ensure the music is valid... and there are several distributors that are known to be very very lax in that regard.

The 7digital acquisition is still pretty fresh, so your experience with them was the state of things prior to the acquisition. Also moving forward, remember that this was already the state of things on Bandcamp, lest people forget and think that the impersonations started after this acquisition.

Songtradr's core business has been B2B sync licensing. One of the reasons "Trust" is such a big deal on the website is that very large brands can't risk having a debacle where it looks like they've stolen music. So we do a lot of vetting of information before music is made available to our B2B partners.

Rest assured that if things slide in a direction, it'll be towards more vetting, not less.