Re:Cloudflare is now powering Microsoft Edge Secure Network
by lokar on Thursday September 28, 2023 @11:46AM
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Not really internal. Long distance fiber lines between sites, mostly leased.
Re:Cloudflare is now powering Microsoft Edge Secure Network
by greyface- on Thursday September 28, 2023 @11:48AM
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They were DC<->DC fiber links, carrying unencrypted Stubby RPC traffic. Internal is an accurate descriptor.
Re:Cloudflare is now powering Microsoft Edge Secure Network
by ethbr1 on Thursday September 28, 2023 @01:15PM
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Suffice to say internal to Google's network architecture at the time, subsequently remediated with encryption, but physically external to Google DCs.
It did raise a fascinating question about where the physical tap was and how the take was routed back.
You do the tap at a hub, and you have the egress connectivity, but you're one unexpected employee away from discovery.
You do the tap in the middle of nowhere, and how do you get the data stream back?
I'd guess they went rural and just leased physically adjacent dark fiber to route out on.
Re:Cloudflare is now powering Microsoft Edge Secure Network
by pests on Thursday September 28, 2023 @02:40PM
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The return routes are most likely in the same run but just a different strand. I think this is the way underwater cables are tapped - no need for a completely new run back.
Re:Cloudflare is now powering Microsoft Edge Secure Network
by cavisne on Thursday September 28, 2023 @10:52PM
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Level 3 basically admitted they did it for them, so it would have been at a hub.
Re:Cloudflare is now powering Microsoft Edge Secure Network
by Tiberium on Thursday September 28, 2023 @11:48AM
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That Google incident sounds interesting, do you have links to the technical explanations? From a quick search all I could find are news reports.
Re:Cloudflare is now powering Microsoft Edge Secure Network
by formerly_proven on Thursday September 28, 2023 @11:56AM
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It's from the OG PRISM slides. Previously Google's internal production network didn't use encryption, SSL/TLS was terminated at the perimeter. So the NSA simply tapped their dark fiber between data centers.
Re:Cloudflare is now powering Microsoft Edge Secure Network
by supriyo-biswas on Thursday September 28, 2023 @11:50AM
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But it becomes significantly easier if Cloudflare performs this cooperation; most ISPs are required to maintain such data as well.
This doesn't necessarily require Cloudflare's cooperation. Remember when the NSA tapped Google's internal network without their knowledge? SSL added and removed here :-)