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Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by hypertele-Xii on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @08:59AM (#37673978)
So you won't be able to do anything without Internet connection to the AI mainframe? No thanks.
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by op00to on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @09:27AM (#37674356)
Until the AI mainframe runs on your $device
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by hypertele-Xii on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @10:11AM (#37674913)
GPT-3 requires 700 gigabytes of GPU RAM. I'm looking at my cheapest computer components retailer listing a 48 gigabyte GPU at $5k. So to run the previous generation of GPT would cost me about $70k right now. When do you think I can expect to run GPT-4 on my consumer $device? :)
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by M4v3R on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @10:21AM (#37675073)
Where did you get the 700 gigabytes figure from? I don't think OpenAI even released the model size, although it's considered to be 175B parameters. Given how well quantization works at these sizes you would need less than 200 GB of GPU memory to run it.
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by apexalpha on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @10:17AM (#37674999)
You are now where the GUI was in in 1986 or so.
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by chx on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @10:33AM (#37675245)
and you think corporate will wait near forty years for tech to catch up? no, they will, indeed force you to be always online, leading to absolute and total surveillance where you voluntarily add dozens of mics and cameras to every home. if you thought telescreens a'la 1984 is bad, just wait.
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by astrange on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @05:12PM (#37681391)
It's funny that being obsessed with "corporations" feels so specifically GenX. I think because it's part of the New Left movement. In reality governments have all the power here, which is why this would be illegal in at least CA/EU/China.

Another issue where this comes up is high housing costs, which are mostly caused by bad land use laws (and the nearest evil people, landlords, mostly own one or two properties), but people from the New Left era will literally refuse to believe you about this because they can't accept that any bad thing on Earth could not be caused by "corporations".

Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by qingcharles on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:06AM (#37675711)
That doesn't seem to make sense. I can run Llama 2 on my 12-year-old desktop PC with no compatible GPU and only 16GB of system RAM. It ain't quick, but it runs.
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by arrowsmith on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @03:48PM (#37680250)
Maybe 700GB is what ChatGPT uses to serve zillions of users concurrently. If you're running your own individual instance, you obviously don't need as many resources.
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by sandbags on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @12:18PM (#37676945)
I would be surprised if GPT-3 uses 700GB of RAM. It may be true, I don't know. But I am running 70B parameter models (quantized to 5 or 6 bits, biggest is 48GB loaded) on my 64GB Mac M2 Max Studio now and they are usable and the machine is still usable too. With an M2 Ultra and 192GB of RAM I imagine you could do a lot more.

I'm not arguing that these models hold up against GPT 3.5 and I still use GPT 4 when it matters. But they work and it's more like the difference between Premier League & Division 1, rather than PL & a five-a-side team from Bracknell.

Even a few years ago I could not have imagined this.

Given the pace of work on optimisation and my assumption that the M3 Studio I buy next will probably have 256GB of RAM at much the same power levels as I use now, it seems eminently possible it's a year or two away.

Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by dmazzoni on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @03:51PM (#37680288)
First of all, you're off by an order of magnitude.

Second, I don't think it will be that long. There are already LLMs as good as GPT-3 running on average laptops and even phones.

In the next couple of years, you'll see:

- Ordinary PCs, tablets, and phones with dedicated AI chips, like TPUs - they'll be more tuned specifically for LLMs

- Mathematical and algorithmic optimizations will make existing LLMs faster on the same hardware

- Newer generations of LLMs will get even more useful with fewer parameters

The combination of all of these means that it's not at all unreasonable to expect that today's top-of-the-line LLM will be running locally on your device within just a couple of years.

Of course, LLMs in the cloud will advance even further, so there will always be a tradeoff, and there will always be demand for cloud AI, depending on the application.

Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by fomine3 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @09:48PM (#37684184)
I don't know. RAM is $$ and currently usable LLMs needs huge RAM with higher bandwidth. I don't see any story that it will be solved with future AI chips. Do you know anything?
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by danenania on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @04:19PM (#37680687)
By the time the current AI mainframe runs on your device, there will be new, better models that still require the mainframe.

I think AI fundamentally favors centralization. Except for narrow tasks and domains, there's no such thing as "enough" intelligence. For general purpose AI, you'll always want the best and most intelligent model available, which means cloud rather than local.

Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by postalrat on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @09:04AM (#37674050)
Only the stuff you don't know how to do yourself.
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by HappySweeney on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @09:09AM (#37674134)
... like operate my phone without a UI?
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by 3abiton on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @04:14PM (#37680623)
At some point Open-source models' performance will follow. Llava will improve.
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by bmicraft on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:56PM (#37685071)
The vram and processing power in my phone will never follow what is available when not limited by the constraints of a phone