And if you prefer professionals, not amateurs: https://windshape.com/technology-2/

They seem to be a pretty chill bunch, I wouldn't mind working there a few years.

I assume it is good for the CV too ;)

That's below my ethical and moral standards.

... why?

Requiring to upload full portfolio and diplomas in the first step with probability of success as in any other job application, and the salaries... ehhh you're expected to live off "the prestige".

Salaries are specified in the "job grade" section, which it's linked salary it's public here: https://careers.cern/salary-conditions

also, if I recall properly of my time there salary was free of taxes :)

The second highest is 108k CHF annually. In Zurich. As a new arrival one is always expected to "put their foot in the door".

It is an entry-level salary. So if it is comparable to most other Swiss salaries for higher education, it will be able to increase by at least 70%.

But as a tech worker I can expect, screw that, demand at least 320k for a junior role! Otherwise I will be poooooor! /s

Sometimes the VC-backed bubble entitlement is nothing short of stunning.

> demand at least 320k

Instead there is "we think 70k is a fair salary (please don't look at our housing market)"... I don't think either of the amounts is reasonable.

Depends with whom you compare youself. First, as others pointed out, CERN is 100k for an entry level position that is tax excempt. Second, while I don't know about Zurich, 70k are enough to live a comfortable live in Munich. Not sure whatelse people wanr, because 70k is way above what most people in, in my example, Munich earn, and those people live as well.

Maybe people should step out of their pseudo-rich bubble and become a little bit more modest. Also, not measuring everything based on one figure, e.g. yearly salary, propably improves live quality quite a bit.

This all might be true if housing is somehow not a problem. Otherwise one is forced to climb up from the bottom-most layer of a pit of scams and abuse.

Since when is housing not part of living? My example explicitly includes housing / renting in one of the most expensive cities in Germany.

In this case, Sir, you're speaking bollocks.

You've unfortunately been breaking the site guidelines a ton lately. If that keeps up, we're going to have to ban your account. I don't want to ban you, so would you please review the rules and stick to them? We want thoughtful, substantive, and above all curious conversation here. We don't want snark, name-calling, or flamewar.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

And also they pay for your health insurance, which in Switzerland is far from negligible

There is even a "Technician for cooling and ventilation systems" Opening

https://jobs.smartrecruiters.com/CERN/743999929693353-techni...

You know the truth about SERN, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steins;Gate_(TV_series)

and how they covered up superluminal neutrinos?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYh0tWNeZJw

El Psy Kongroo

It was FAN while it lasted! /giggles

The CERN folks are a humorous bunch, I assume one of them is responsible for naming this epic roundabout close to CERN the "large car collider" on Google maps https://maps.app.goo.gl/iLWZRLLUWhDTjiDS7