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Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by micromacrofoot on Thursday September 21, 2023 @09:35AM (#37597414)
Probably a bit of a double-edged sword because frankly Hayao does not seem to care for Goro all that much.
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by the_af on Thursday September 21, 2023 @09:48AM (#37597581)
I'm not sure I understand... this news indicates that Goro will not be leading Ghibli. So what would be the double-edged sword?
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by Mistletoe on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:14AM (#37597938)
I’m also confused, does he not like his own son?
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by jd3 on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:20AM (#37598022)
He was a self-described absentee father, stated that being around his son made him anxious, dissuaded Goro from getting into animation, and was critical and generally unsupportive of the three films that Goro directed.

Goro even stated that he only got to know his father through his films since Hayao was never around.

Goro was raised by his mother, who quit pursuing her dream of working as an animator in order to raise him.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by Der_Einzige on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:51AM (#37598506)
Goros films to be fair were pretty bad. Tales from the earth sea in particular is shockingly bad.
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by hotdogscout on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:13AM (#37598849)
Kokuriko-zaka Kara was really good though. Better than Miyazaki's earlier work (Sherlock Hound, Conan, Lupin). I find them very simple and mediocre compared to anything of that time or even 60's anime like 009.
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by mandmandam on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:17AM (#37598922)
I liked it, as a huge Le Guin fan. It wasn't quite Ghibli level, but it wasn't that far off. It got the heart right, and it was a lot better than the average movie imo.

Adapting books to film is really, really hard, as is animating, and directing, etc.

Le Guin was critical of the movie, for valid reasons, but I don't think she hated it. Which, being fair, is an accomplishment.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by rkuykendall-com on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:52AM (#37599496)
From Up on Poppy Hill is actually my favorite. But I haven't seen his others.
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by elmomle on Thursday September 21, 2023 @01:18PM (#37600801)
That one was still (co-)written by Hayao, and the writing / story composition is definitely what makes that film so strong.
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by Aeolun on Thursday September 21, 2023 @01:08PM (#37600652)
I didn’t really have issues with it. It certainly wasn’t stellar, but at least solidly average.
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by peoplefromibiza on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:29AM (#37598143)
> does he not like his own son?

in what way is it any of our business?

in what way what a father does or doesn't leave to his son can be used to determine how much he loves or doesn't love him?

Goro is a 56 years old man, he's beyond middle age, he lived more than half of his life already, why are you treating him like a small defenseless child?

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by Mistletoe on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:30AM (#37598168)
You seem a little too close to this haha. I know nothing of their history I’m just asking a simple innocent question. Yes I think it would be odd for someone to not like their own son.
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by peoplefromibiza on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:34AM (#37598214)
a lot of people do not understand how the Japanese culture works and they assume that helicopter parents are the best of the best, but it's just US distorted parenting percolating, it has nothing to do with what's right or wrong.

If I created something and I wanted that thing to die with me, the love for my children wouldn't in any way stop me.

Legacy and honor are much more important than nepotism for some.

Also, he's saving Goro from being "the son of Miyazaki that was never good as the father" forever.

He's Goro. He's a different person. He made his own choices regardless of who the father is and owes him nothing.

That's a gift if you ask me.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by dylan604 on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:15AM (#37598889)
And then there's the story of Jiro, the Japanese sushi maker that was so highly praised, but it turned out that it was his oldest son that was actually making the sushi.

Anecdotes of 1 are meaningless other than fun stories to share.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by peoplefromibiza on Thursday September 21, 2023 @03:44PM (#37603146)
That's a good one.

I've never been a Jiro fan though, there are many sushi makers in japan that can be considered artists in their craft, but their cultural impact is mehh at best.

Studio Ghibli, both Miyazaki and Takahata, on the other hand...

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by dylan604 on Thursday September 21, 2023 @04:23PM (#37603751)
I guess? There was a time where Jiro's restaurant was booked months in advance (as many uber famous locations can be), and had people traveling internationally just to eat there. That's a pretty big cultural impact whether it's your cup of tea or not. There's other people that shrug their shoulders at the Studio Ghibli content. I recognize their work as being very good, but I'm not a "fan". It's not my cup of tea, but I'm not going to claim it as being meh at best. I can recognize talent even if I don't like it.
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by peoplefromibiza on Friday September 22, 2023 @03:48AM (#37609147)
I understand your point and I do not disagree.

What I meant is that sushi is still something that we consider a Japanese thing, we know that masters of sushi are Japanese, Jiro being famous only reinforced that notion.

On the other hand Studio Ghibli forced the western industry of animation to recognize their greateness, we awarded them prizes, and now in the west we make products that look and feel like anime and manga. We do not think of Japanese animation of "something for kids", we treat them like Disney.

Comic conventions are full of cosplayers dressed as manga/anime heroes.

Youngsters make meme based on manga, American studios make live actions and animation shows of anime and manga.

It's been a complete game changer, either we like it or not.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by micromacrofoot on Thursday September 21, 2023 @02:38PM (#37602042)
the double-edged sword is the relief of not having to run the studio, but the disappointment that you don't meet your father's expectations
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by peoplefromibiza on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:30AM (#37598169)
> because frankly Hayao does not seem to care for Goro all that much

or maybe he thinks that Ghibli should not survive him, which is in his full rights.

Goro can open his own studio if he wants to.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by micromacrofoot on Thursday September 21, 2023 @02:44PM (#37602118)
sure maybe that too, but he's panned Goro's work very publicly on multiple occasions
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by peoplefromibiza on Thursday September 21, 2023 @03:17PM (#37602680)
I don't really (honestly) understand this critique.

What's wrong in being honest?

Goro works are clearly inferior to his father's works on many levels.

He's no amateur, that's for sure, but he's no master either.

Among the best Japanese animation artists, he's probably average.

He's no Takahata, Oshii, Otomo, Anno, Watanabe, Hosoda by a long shot.

Hayao worst rated works on Rotten Tomatoes are "The cat returns" and "The wind rises" and I completely agree on that, with a rating of 88%.

Goro worst is "Earwig and the Witch" that I have not watched with a 28%, "Tales From Earthsea" that I've seen and did not like much with 38% and the best is "From Up on Poppy Hill" with 87%, which was good, but not "Spirited Away", "Princess Mononoke" or "Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind" good.

And Nausicaa itself is not as good as a movie as the manga, that is an order of magnitude better!

Have you ever read or heard about the 3 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart children that survived?

No?

You are not the only one.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by micromacrofoot on Thursday September 21, 2023 @03:44PM (#37603134)
It's just the way it was done, unsympathetically, in front of the whole world. I wouldn't do that to an employee, let alone my own child.
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by peoplefromibiza on Thursday September 21, 2023 @03:49PM (#37603229)
That doesn't make Hayao a bad person.

I see him as a concerned father.

"Don't put yourself in the position of being judged in the very competitive field of Japanese animation, because your works are not as great as you think they are"

It's like being the son of Michelangelo.

Of course everyone of us tells kids that their terrible drawings are sooooo goooood, but they are terrible.

Now, Goro was already 40 years old when his first movie came out.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by Shugarl on Thursday September 21, 2023 @05:17PM (#37604487)
Isn't that a false dichotomy? I think there's more possibilities than either walking out of the theater in the middle of your son's first movie and tell to the press how he's still far from being ready to make films, or treating your son like a 5 year old.
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by peoplefromibiza on Friday September 22, 2023 @06:17AM (#37610179)
> I think there's more possibilities than either walking out of the theater in the middle of your son's first movie and tell to the press how he's still far from being ready to make films, or treating your son like a 5 year old.

That's a gross misrepresentation of what happened.

He was asked and he answered honestly.

End of story.

Who cares? Goro works are generally not good if compared with the works of his father, like a 5 years old drawings compared to their parents' drawings.

But this is not the school's play that every parent hates but attends because their children (they assume) care so much about it (I, for example, hated it and never wanted my parents to come and see me fail at something I was never good at and never liked), if you don't like the movie of some director, you can walk away and say "I did not like the movie", nobody dies, nobody should cry.

I sincerely wish more fathers did that, so we would be spared so many bad movies!

There's nothing wrong in being not equally skilled as your parents at something, but for the love of God, why are people so upset about what Miyazaki had to say about the works of his son and (BTW) be completely right about them?

Is it some form of projection with their own father?