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Re:FAA Authorizes Zipline to Deliver Commercial Packages Usi... by XorNot on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @02:28AM (#37581032)
Aircraft are more energy efficient then cars[1] at scale. But even a light plane like a Cessna 172 does 13L/100KM[2] depending on flight speed. Certainly more then my Prius, but it can take a much more direct route too.

There's also the simple practical issue: self-driving cars can't navigate a complex crowded environment, whereas self-flying planes navigate a much simpler environment with many more regulatory controls on behavior.

[1] https://www.sustainablebusiness.com/2014/02/surprisingly-air...

[2] https://www.flyouts.com/vliegtuig/cessna-172

Re:FAA Authorizes Zipline to Deliver Commercial Packages Usi... by cma on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @02:39AM (#37581108)
If Prius was adapted to run optimally on extremely high octane leaded fuel what could it get?
Re:FAA Authorizes Zipline to Deliver Commercial Packages Usi... by baq on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @02:53AM (#37581181)
The Prius doesn’t fly, so let’s not repeat the leaded fuel mistake.
Re:FAA Authorizes Zipline to Deliver Commercial Packages Usi... by bombcar on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @09:16AM (#37583740)
High octane does NOT increase total available power, in fact it reduces it.

It enables higher compression so you can get more power per unit of engine weight, but the fuel efficiency per gallon is lower.

And the lead is for the valves.

You can get more efficient planes but you can’t overcome the need to fight gravity at some point.

Re:FAA Authorizes Zipline to Deliver Commercial Packages Usi... by cma on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @05:20PM (#37665964)
I thought higher octane improved efficiency by avoiding premature combustion, but that may have only been relevant before electronic fuel injection.
Re:FAA Authorizes Zipline to Deliver Commercial Packages Usi... by deely3 on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @03:03AM (#37581234)
> Aircraft are more energy efficient then cars[1] at scale.

Some aircraft and definitely not drons for now.

Re:FAA Authorizes Zipline to Deliver Commercial Packages Usi... by madacol on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @03:32AM (#37581442)
zipline's "platform 1" is an airplane, and "platform 2" is a quadcopter shaped like an airplane. https://www.flyzipline.com/technology

So they should have much better efficiency than typical quadcopters

Re:FAA Authorizes Zipline to Deliver Commercial Packages Usi... by baq on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @07:30AM (#37582885)
Depends on perspective. You could say it's a glider with a quadcopter bolted underneath for VTOL capabilities.
Re:FAA Authorizes Zipline to Deliver Commercial Packages Usi... by krisoft on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @04:31AM (#37581826)
What is a drone to you? If you are only thinking about multicopters when you hear that word then yes, those are not efficient and probably never will be.

But the term commonly refers to all unmanned aerial vehicles.

For example a Global Hawk unmanned aircraft can fly 14,000 nautical miles and remain aloft for 42 hours. They are by definition very efficient. That is a drone.

On the other end of the spectrum The Spirit of Butts' Farm crossed the atlantic with 118 US fluid ounces (3.5 L) of fuel. It was flying for ~39 hour and 1,881.6 mi (3,028.1 km). That is about 2045 mile per gallon if I count it right. That is very efficient, and of course since the aircraft was unmanned it is a drone.

Re:FAA Authorizes Zipline to Deliver Commercial Packages Usi... by abtinf on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @05:44AM (#37582271)
These are representative of the kinds of drones and aircraft relevant to the context of this post?
Re:FAA Authorizes Zipline to Deliver Commercial Packages Usi... by itishappy on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @10:52AM (#37584940)
Moreso than the quadcopter you probably have in mind.
Re:FAA Authorizes Zipline to Deliver Commercial Packages Usi... by misnome on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @05:55AM (#37582332)
> For example a Global Hawk unmanned aircraft can fly 14,000 nautical miles and remain aloft for 42 hours. They are by definition very efficient. That is a drone.

Wow - this is what they are planning to use to deliver packages?

Re:FAA Authorizes Zipline to Deliver Commercial Packages Usi... by hef19898 on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @06:42AM (#37582596)
If so, unit economics will never work, regardless of cargo.
Re:FAA Authorizes Zipline to Deliver Commercial Packages Usi... by itishappy on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @10:03AM (#37584264)
They use fixed wing aircraft, yes.
Re:FAA Authorizes Zipline to Deliver Commercial Packages Usi... by dwighttk on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @07:49AM (#37583031)
Do not want what global hawk is delivering
Re:FAA Authorizes Zipline to Deliver Commercial Packages Usi... by two_handfuls on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @10:03AM (#37584276)
I lost confidence at the very beginning of the article:

> In fact, unless you drive a car that gets 33.8 gallons per mile (or carry more than one passenger), new airplanes coming off the assembly line are more fuel-efficient

Cars typically get about 0.03 gallons per mile, so it’s not even close.