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Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by willcipriano on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @10:44AM (#37570682)
Many cars like this have their own private jet to deliver it where it is to be used. You'll see many such cases around any major environmental conference.
Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by whimsicalism on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @11:07AM (#37570987)
I’m sure they offset it with some bullshit carbon credits, don’t worry.
Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by nso on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @11:34AM (#37571426)
Interestingly, I had my first real world encounter with the other end of the carbon credits just two days ago. A friend of mine told me she had tried to get her neighbours (she lives in the woods) to apply for carbon credit grants in unison. They promise not to chop down their trees and/or to protect endangered plants on their properties, and get paid a certain amount by the Mexican government (obviously nowhere near what they'd get from chopping down and selling their trees...)
Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by whimsicalism on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @12:56PM (#37572808)
It's a scam because they likely were not planning on chopping down their trees anyways.
Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by HeyLaughingBoy on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @01:29PM (#37573267)
How is that a scam?

You propose that if I don't do something, you will pay me because it benefits you in some way.

I agree to not do that thing and happily walk away with the cash. Everybody gets what they want. Why does it matter whether or not I was planning to do the thing?

Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by whimsicalism on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @02:24PM (#37574048)
Because they are selling them as carbon credits in carbon markets for full price per ton of CO2 using fraudulent measures of how much carbon is additionally being averted (additionality). To be clear, the bad actors are those selling the credits claiming that these properties would have been chopped down otherwise (not the property owners).

Then actors like Apple, airlines, etc. get to claim they have fully offset their supply chain despite nothing of the sort occurring because of counterfeit carbon credits.

e: And fwiw, I have done analysis of this offline as part of a personal project - based on what I saw looking at global forestry data, the evidence is strong that the vast majority of REDD (deforestation) carbon credits are fraudulent IMO - areas being sold at the cost of carbon if the whole plot was cut down despite there being effectively no risk of that.

Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by netsharc on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @04:05PM (#37575731)
Flawed analogy time:

Ad: "Help thirsty kids in Africa!"

Reality: the kids get 100 liters of water a month from a river (yeah not enough).

You: pay a contribution hoping to get them more water.

The "offset" sellers: "See those 100 liters? 5 of them are now being paid by HeyLaughingBoy. He's helping!".

The carbon was being pulled from the air anyway, but paying gives you a certificate to say your money did that. Meanwhile the net CO2 output hasn't changed up nor down. Or rather up because you're consuming something that output CO2 to make. (Philosophical argument, the product would have already been made before your purchase, unless it's something bespoke...)

Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by bequanna on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @01:33PM (#37573325)
Right.

This is what those opposed to carbon credits believe will happen: abuse and fraud

Very little will be achieved towards the goal of lowering or sequestering carbon.

Carbon pipelines are an excellent example of this: taking advantage of overly generous federal tax credits to achieve very little.

Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by api_or_ipa on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @12:04PM (#37571962)
To kill a senior states-person will certainly lead to war which is itself highly un-environmentally friendly. The carbon credits in this case are the expected value of any averted war. A single F-35 burns something like 1,500 gallons/hour.

Taking the car is a small price, economically and environmentally, to avoid the potential of war.

Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by some_random on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @12:08PM (#37572026)
I think you'd be shocked just how many highly influential senior statesmen and business people can be killed before anyone gets even close to a war.
Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by pc86 on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @12:11PM (#37572076)
Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by actionfromafar on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @01:44PM (#37573452)
War usually leads to recession which usually leads to reduced carbon.
Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @10:48AM (#37570726)
I would assume they would instead rent them locally, transporting them sounds excessive unless they're super customized.
Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by steveBK123 on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @11:01AM (#37570901)
If you are a head of state / billionaire who thinks they need this level of protection, you're gonna trust the security & reliability of some random rental outfit in each city you visit? Zero chance.
Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by toss1 on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @11:01AM (#37570903)
Excess is relative. When you have $$billions, $150K extra to have your custom protection vehicle at the venue is no big deal. And, are they even rentable in all locales, and do you trust those suppliers?
Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by foxtrottbravo on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @11:26AM (#37571294)
I am with you - while this might seem excessive there are enough people that have the cash and the threat model to go with it.

From what I could find the 2009 Protection version (then called high security) was more around 400k-450k€. A standard model 7 runs from ~115k up to ~145k€.

Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by toss1 on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @11:29AM (#37585446)
Yes, I must say that I love BMW's approach. Everyone else just takes a frame and hangs off of it all the protection — just a massive increase in redundant weight and decrease in performance.

Far better to take BMW's approach, upgrade the materials so that the protection is structural; each component serves both purposes.

Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by ryanwaggoner on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @11:47AM (#37571661)
I would bet money that this is exceedingly rare. You'd probably have to have a 767 or larger for this to make sense, and only a tiny fraction of private jets are this large. And then it would still have to be extensively modified to be able to fit a car. Not saying it never happens, I'm sure there's some oil prince or oligarch with a 787 that has a garage, but "many cars like this" is likely a huge stretch. Happy to be proven wrong.

Now, do some people who buy cars like this have them shipped via cargo plane to wherever they're needed? That's slightly more believable, but I bet it's still very uncommon.

Re:BMW's Ultimate Driving Machine, for Driving Through Gunfi... by syntaxing on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @12:06PM (#37571987)
Is that too unbelievable? I mean for private users maybe but state users, should be a drop in the bucket when you blend it into military expenses.