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Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by quitit on Sunday September 17, 2023 @08:06AM (#37544153)
Respectfully all of the gimmick and gloss in the presentation and accompanying youtube video is distracting from the communication and makes it -harder- to follow.

It's the equivalent of a lot of make-up applied poorly.

It would be clearer to simply communicate concisely.

Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by euiq on Sunday September 17, 2023 @08:20AM (#37544277)
the whole vtuber thing is not really for me, but i appreciate the effort that went into this presentation—did you make all the way to <https://asahilina.net/agx-exploit/#/demoslide>?
Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by zamalek on Sunday September 17, 2023 @09:25AM (#37544830)
The manner in which a person chooses to portray themselves isn't a gimmick, or poor communication. The VTuber thing isn't for me, so I move along and let Lina be who she wants to be.
Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by loeg on Sunday September 17, 2023 @10:49AM (#37545597)
I mean, I disagree. It is gimmicky and poor communication, whether by choice or accident.
Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by quitit on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:24PM (#37546738)
It is indeed poor communication - why? Because:

1. The message is secondary to the medium.

2. The communication requires numerous unnecessary click throughs to obtain the relevant information.

3. The division of the information into various panels and mediums does not enhance the communication, rather the messages are divided in a way that doesn't match a hierarchal introduction of detail. It often serves no purpose whatsoever.

Also this is not some personal attack on identity "who she wants to be", it's a commentary on poor communication - don't attempt to equate the two, it's incredibly poor taste, and flame baiting.

Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by zamalek on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:38PM (#37546912)
Your comment touched on the YouTube video, which is very-much part of her identity.

> The message is secondary to the medium.

What if the message was in a language that you don't understand? Would that make it poor communication, or is it rather poor listening.

The pressure to be average, normal, and conformist is what neurodiverse individuals struggle with daily - especially in professional and educational settings. "Poor communication skills" are very much a personal attack - at least from my perspective as an ND individual. This is Lina's personal time and she can communicate how she pleases.

Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by quitit on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:53PM (#37547072)
That is very clearly the communication. Again the only person talking about the person is you.

Find where I infer anything about the author in my comment. It's not present, you've invented this narrative as a strawman argument.

You are presenting something inappropriate and frankly revolting for the furtherance of merely disagreeing.

Also just so we are clear: I'm not going to engage you in discussing a person's identity. Continually referring to the author's identity is deeply offensive.

Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by GhostWhisperer on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:31PM (#37546831)
> ... this is not some personal attack on identity ...

yes it is. see:

> ... all of the gimmick and gloss in the presentation and accompanying youtube video is ...

Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by quitit on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:51PM (#37547059)
The entire scope of my comment is about the message - the only one talking about the person is you.

I find that disgusting.

Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by GhostWhisperer on Sunday September 17, 2023 @03:00PM (#37548271)
> I find that disgusting.

i am unfazed

Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by dang on Monday September 18, 2023 @04:35PM (#37561638)
I don't mean to pile on, but you guys can't do this here, and we ban accounts that do, so please don't do it again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by dang on Monday September 18, 2023 @04:35PM (#37561637)
I don't mean to pile on, but you guys can't do this here, and we ban accounts that do, so please don't do it again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by dang on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:43AM (#37546285)
"Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by quitit on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:28PM (#37546785)
Respectfully: do you genuinely believe that guideline had this kind of presentation in mind, or the very common tedium of poorly built websites that occurs frequently on amateur tech posts. Even the examples provided by the rule you quoted lend to the latter.

The format is indeed relevant.

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Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by dang on Monday September 18, 2023 @04:33PM (#37561612)
Aw, please don't respond like this. It just makes things worse and breaks the site guidelines in its own right; this one, for example:

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by pvg on Sunday September 17, 2023 @05:11PM (#37549356)
The guideline is to prevent threads turning discussions of interesting things into discussions of boring things, like most of the other guidelines. Plus you can ask the person who came up with it, I'm sure they'll tell you something similar.
Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by dang on Monday September 18, 2023 @04:09PM (#37561320)
Ah, a question I can answer unambiguously! - since I wrote that guideline, I can tell you what was/is in my mind about it.

Internet threads have a strong tendency to get stuck on annoyances that aren't pertinent to the actual topic. It's a bit like a branch getting snagged at the side of a creek: all sorts of detritus accumulates around the branch, clogging the flow. This isn't just about comments—it's at least as much about upvotes—such subthreads invariably attract a lot of those. (To disgress a bit: I think that's because upvotes are often driven by familiarity, and the annoyances we're talking about are quite familiar.)

On HN, we don't have any rule against going off topic per se, because sometimes offtopic tangents are fun and interesting—usually when they're unpredictable, i.e. when they're about something specific that doesn't get talked about much, or maybe has never been talked about.

But presentation errors, usability errors, and so on, are the opposite of this: they're predictable because they happen a lot and the patterns tend to repeat, and also because they're annoying and people tend to express annoyance in the same ways over and over. This becomes repetitive and repetition is the enemy of curiosity [1], so it actually follows from HN's Prime Directive [2] that we should try to avoid this.

The other thing to understand about that guideline is that it's not denying the correctness of your annoyance! Of course you're right that formatting, presentation, usability, design, etc., are important. The issue is that discussions tend to get clogged by comments about these things, precisely because they are annoying. I'm as annoyed by them as anyone and I think most of us are.

Our challenge as a community is to experience those annoyances and process them however we process them but not to complain about them in the comments—rather to stay on topic (or at least on something unpredictable), not because crappy websites or whatever deserve better, but because we as a community deserve better—interesting conversations about interesting things to read.

(I should add that when I say "crappy websites" I'm not talking about the OP - I didn't spend more than a couple seconds looking at it and didn't personally experience annoyance. I just mean we all have our own set of triggers and they work more or less the same way in everyone.)

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by quitit on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @05:22AM (#37567401)
Thank you for expanding on the point, I appreciate it.
Re:I hacked macOS CVE-2022-32947 by dredmorbius on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @05:21AM (#37567392)
There are times when website styling and design really go beyond the pale, and this is one of those cases.

The content may be excellent. The packaging utterly frustrates accessing that, and flouts all standard conventions of design. The author took a risk. The author lost.