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Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by bdcravens on Saturday September 16, 2023 @09:58PM (#37540731)
I have CF, and I take Trikafta.

Before Trikafta, I usually had a 5+ day stay in the hospital every year, and sometimes I have would very stubborn respiratory infections that just wouldn't go away. I was mentally preparing myself for inevitable decline and eventual death.

Trikafta changed my situation dramatically. I've had no hospitalizations, and most the classic CF symptoms are either gone or extremely diminished. It can't undo a life of damage to things like my pancreas, vas deferens, etc, and I still take medicine to digest my food, but overall, it's as close to "normal" as I could hope for at this point.

The only real downside: weight gain. With CF the pancreas is blocked, so you lack in digestive enzymes, and it's a struggle to maintain a healthy enough weight to battle respiratory infections. After Trikafta, I gained some 30 pounds, and have a big belly on my small frame, and went up some 6 inches in the waist. To add insult to injury, it happened during the spring and summer of 2020, when buying clothes was a challenge due to the pandemic.

Speaking of the pandemic, the timing of Trikafta was amazing: it kept the normally full "CF floors" of hospitals empty, opening up those beds for those with COVID and keeping CF patients less exposed.

One side effect I should mention: many report extreme anxiety. However, I was starting an anxiety medication for the first time (something I should have done 20 years ago, but alas ...) and so those effects were muted or hidden to me.

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by DoreenMichele on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:38PM (#37540949)
Well, my understanding is you are simply born without a vas deferens (for most men with CF). But some of the other stuff may heal at least partially.
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by Scoundreller on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:45PM (#37540990)
ok, now you got me wondering... could a pregnant mother take this drug if they're at high risk of their fetus having CF (or confirmed via pre-testing) to prevent this?

(Or possibly will continue taking it if they have CF as we can expect more CF patients to have children)

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by DoreenMichele on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:53PM (#37541050)
It's a homozygous recessive disorder. If two carriers reproduce, there is a 25 percent chance the child has CF. If a woman with CF has children with a carrier, there is a 50 percent chance the child has CF and a 50 percent chance the child is a carrier.

Ninety-five percent of men with CF lack a vas deferens, leaving them effectively sterile. The medical community is understandably reluctant to assist two people with CF in reproducing together as their child is guaranteed to have CF.

If you are at risk of having a child with CF and know it, a best practice is to try to not conceive a child with CF.

I doubt taking a drug during pregnancy would prevent a male child from being born without a vas deferens and see no reason to care. Just try to not have a baby with CF. It's called a Dread Disease for a reason.

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by trollian on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:48PM (#37541009)
No.
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by _ihaque on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:19AM (#37541488)
Surprisingly, sort of.

It won't alter the underlying genetic condition, but there has been at least one case report that taking these CFTR modulators during pregnancy can improve the condition of the fetus/newborn:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S156919932...

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2023/07/cystic-fibros...

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by DoreenMichele on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:34AM (#37541554)
Both of these babies are female. I am not at all surprised that the drug helped in the way described in the articles, but it doesn't actually indicate whether or not it could impact the vas deferens since that's a defect in the male reproductive tract.

According to the CF Foundation, the cause of the lack of the vas deferens is not conclusively known.

https://www.cff.org/managing-cf/fertility-men-cf

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by bdcravens on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:56PM (#37541066)
I believe that the thick mucus present in the body more or less destroys the vas deferens, so we are born with it, but quickly lose it.

The scarring of the lungs and pancreas really can't be reversed.

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by DoreenMichele on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:58PM (#37541081)
Well, I no longer have a hole in my left lung, so I am unable to entirely agree with you. But I also don't care to discuss this further on HN.
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by bdcravens on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:01PM (#37541095)
Holes != scarring
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by trollian on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:48PM (#37541006)
My 8yr old daughter has been on Kalydeco (one of the active compounds in Trikafta) since it was approved and it means she'll live a fairly similar life to her twin sister, health wise. We only have to do airway clearance treatment when she's sick. It's crazy for me to think what a different life shed have had even being born a decade before.
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by car on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:48PM (#37541011)
Thank you for sharing this with us, I'm so glad for you! I can hardly express how amazing this development is to me! I had not heard about it before today.
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by matthewtse on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:24PM (#37541222)
It's utterly amazing to hear of another group of sufferers who are the beneficiaries of modern miracle medicine.

Personally, I suffered from an extreme case of eczema my whole life, which left me effectively a disabled person. Although eczema doesn't have a significant effect on life-expectancy, there wasn't all that much to live for, and I had basically given up on being able to do normal things like exercise or travel.

So it was very surprising to "hear the good news" that Dupixent(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dupilumab) was being released in 2017 (also fast tracked as a breakthrough therapy), I got on it, and it's made me 98% a normal person.

Here's to continued funding for new miracle medicines to help more groups of sufferers.

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by steve_adams_86 on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:40PM (#37541287)
I know someone with relatively bad eczema and I believe you when you say you believed you had nothing to live for. I’m genuinely glad you were relieved of that. It seems like it can be terrible to live with.
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by matthewtse on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:59PM (#37541397)
A sincere thank you :)

Yes, the worst was a period of months when I was effectively a burn victim (>70% of body with severe bleeding sores, and fully bedridden). The worst part was that, unlike with a burn victim, it wasn't clear to me if I would ever heal out of it.

Luckily it got a bit better to at least get out of bed, and then Dupixent came along a few years later.

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by steve_adams_86 on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:34PM (#37546877)
Oh god. That’s virtually incomprehensible to me. I woke up feeling a little down today, but I’m realizing I should be a lot more grateful for my healthy past and present. A little cold doesn’t matter in the scheme of things.
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by matthewtse on Sunday September 17, 2023 @07:24PM (#37550367)
TBH, it's exactly the same for me too.

It's really amazing how much the human mind adapts both upwards and downwards. These days I find myself sad about the same kinds of stuff as everyone around me (money, relationships, etc.), and I honestly don't think about where I was just ~6 years ago.

But in really down times, I do find it a mental panacea to just remind myself about my past which pretty much instantly solves any feelings of depression.

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by spondylosaurus on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:42PM (#37541306)
Dupixent rocks! If you ever get sick of infections, it sounds like JAK inhibitors have opened the door to daily-pill eczema treatments too.
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by matthewtse on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:53PM (#37541375)
> If you ever get sick of infections

I assume you meant "injections" :)

For the value that Dupixent provides for me (effectively infinite), I'd do just about anything. So the injections don't bother me at all.

Though injections do make international travel a bit more complicated. Daily-pill eczema treatments would definitely be more convenient in that respect!

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by spondylosaurus on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:26AM (#37541516)
Ha! Autocorrect got me, I did mean to say injections ^_^;;

Although tbh I have had several nasty infections from then-untreated eczema...

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by sn9 on Sunday September 17, 2023 @04:09PM (#37548845)
I was actually on Dupixent for a while and I was one of the non-responders, so my derm put me on a JAK inhibitor daily pill.

The convenience is offset by higher risk of side effects, though luckily I seem to have avoided those.

The pills really seem to be the solution for me.

My eczema had gotten pretty bad in recent years, and much of what you said resonates with me, though I don't think I ever got to the point of being effectively disabled.

My skin is like 90% smooth now with some last stubborn patches, but I'm hoping with time they and the residual scarring will start to disappear.

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by matthewtse on Sunday September 17, 2023 @07:29PM (#37550406)
Sorry to hear you're a non-responder to Dupixent. But really glad you found a different pill that seems to work!

I use to worry that my body would someday stop responding to Dupixent, and my whole life would suddenly crash down around me. But luckily that hasn't happened yet, and with all the monoclonal antibodies in the pipelines, I'm actually confident medicine will be able to outpace my condition.

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by konschubert on Sunday September 17, 2023 @02:34AM (#37542133)
I find it incredibly inspiring and encouraging to see medicine advance.

Every new cure discovered also frees up resources to perform more research on the remaining deadly diseases.

Cancer, of course, being the big one.

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by maccard on Sunday September 17, 2023 @04:55AM (#37542948)
I suffer from allergies/hay fever for 3-4 months of the year. When I was a teen I used to take cetrizine which would sort of help, but it left me feeling groggy and tired a lot, which was in some cases worse than the allergies.

Fexofenadine became available OTC available in the UK in 2020 and the pharmacist suggested I try it. I don't even carry tissues anymore during the summer months. If I ever miss a day though, it's immediately obvious.

It's not life or death, or anything like it, but it's a wild improvement in my qualify of life.

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by dharma1 on Sunday September 17, 2023 @10:32AM (#37545434)
You might also want to consider immunotherapy - it’s quite effective for most and can offer long term desensitisation. Available both privately and via NHS (for severe pollen allergies) in the UK.
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by rybosworld on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:03PM (#37546503)
Immunotherapy is not a silver bullet, and it can take years before any positive improvement is noticed. There's a not insignificant time sink involved with going to the doctor twice a week. And the immunity doesn't last forever.
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by maccard on Sunday September 17, 2023 @06:21PM (#37549881)
Yeah my symptoms aren't anywhere near bad enough to warrant even a monthly trip to the doctor. I was miserable for 3 months of the year either sleepy or sneezing and scratching, now I have a daily pill for £10/month for the summer.
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by dharma1 on Sunday September 17, 2023 @07:17PM (#37550315)
You don’t need to see a doctor regularly with sublingual immunotherapy. It’s just a couple of drops or a tablet once a day for 5 mins. No side effects (it’s effectively microdosing the allergen to desensitise the body)
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by maccard on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @04:12AM (#37566899)
I'm in the UK, doesn't appear to be an NHS treatment. Given the choice between $150/month for a tablet once a day (immunotherapy) or free for a tablet once a day (fexofenadine - my pharmacist can write a prescription for it and I live in Scotland where prescriptions are free), I'll take free thanks!
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by yawnr on Sunday September 17, 2023 @07:53AM (#37544062)
Dupixent has completely changed my quality of life too. I’d effectively given up on ever feeling normal again. Cheers to science!
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by jxf on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:44PM (#37541313)
I don't have CF, but I am inspired by the pace of scientific advancement when I hear stories like this one. Thank you for sharing, and I hope every one of your years brings further boosts to your health.
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by dclowd9901 on Sunday September 17, 2023 @01:42AM (#37541876)
My brother 12 years ago could have been you, as I read your comment. A double lung transplant and myriad complications later, and he passed on from this world.

Reading your experience makes me so happy that people with CF are finally seeing a light of hope in their experiences. You do all the walks, donate the money, remind people this disease exists and it’s so destructive but it always kind of felt like science wasn’t throwing a lot of energy into CF, so I’m so glad to see this development. I’m so happy for you. I wish my brother could have had that chance, but I imagine, given his incredibly generous nature, he’d be just as happy for all the CF survivors today who now have a fighting chance.

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by bdcravens on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:39AM (#37546219)
The CFF has actually done a good job of taking the lead. They approach it in a very startup-like manner. Trikafta is one of the results of that effort.
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by az226 on Sunday September 17, 2023 @01:54AM (#37541930)
What medicine do you take to digest your food? Can you tolerate onions, garlic, and wheat?
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by bdcravens on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:42AM (#37546273)
Digestive enzymes, extracted from pigs.

CF has no bearing on what I can tolerate, though the fattier the food, the more difficult it is to digest. In a situation where I had no access to my medication, I'd focus on eating simple carbs, like fruit.

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by AnthonBerg on Sunday September 17, 2023 @06:50AM (#37543621)
I am very glad to read this.

I don’t know very much about CF so I took the opportunity to read a little about it.

A hunch struck me that CF seemed like a disease where N-acetylcysteine might be useful (NAC). Have had good and unexpected results with NAC in relation to Type 1 diabetes; not widely used in that context afaik but recent literature describes mechanisms and benefits.

NAC is quite strange. Does a lot of things and works for a lot of stuff. Enough to seem a bit implausibly effective. It’s a mucolytic antioxidant which also replenishes certain important biological precursors and also has an effect on histamine and mast cells somehow, not just through being mucolytic (“slime-dissolving”). And more iirc. Just… does a lot.

There’s literature on positive effects in congestion, anxiety, diabetes, placental health, brain damage from methamphetamine poisoning in rats (!), COVID illness and recovery, and on and on. As I said it seems kinda implausible how widely NAC seems to help. I’ve seen it have very clear and obvious benefits. T1 diabetes isn’t really something you can delude yourself about; no bargaining with it.

As I read about CF I thought of NAC. I didn’t seem mention of it on the Wikipedia page for CF, but a Google Scholar search turned up some recent papers.

‘N-acetylcysteine (NAC) and Its Role in Clinical Practice Management of Cystic Fibrosis (CF): A Review’ —Guerini & co. ‘22 https://www.mdpi.com/1424-8247/15/2/217

Wanted to share and ask if you had any experience with or thoughts on NAC?

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by DoreenMichele on Sunday September 17, 2023 @06:53AM (#37543636)
It's been an alternative remedy in the CF community for a while. People with CF hoard glutathione within the cell and have too little on the surface, so some people with CF use inhaled NAC to address the lack of surface glutathione in the lungs.
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by AnthonBerg on Sunday September 17, 2023 @07:43AM (#37543986)
Thank you!, this is interesting and the insight is useful.

I have to say that the distinction between alternative remedies and… idk, mainstream medicine?, this distinction feels spuriouser and spuriouser.

Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by jamesblonde on Sunday September 17, 2023 @08:07AM (#37544175)
In Sweden we treat with NAC and bisolvon, amongst others, so it is not alternative. We have the highest life expectancy for CF in the world. But remember, correlation is not always causation.
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by jamesblonde on Sunday September 17, 2023 @10:13AM (#37545272)
I have 2 boys with CF, 12 and 14. They got ivacaftor from 4 and 5 yrs old, respectively. Pancreatic function returned for both, but has decreased over the last few years, FYI. just a data point. Don't stop the daily treatments either. It's not a full cure. The boy with a 32 mmol sweat is healthier than the boy with a 44 mmol reading.
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by bdcravens on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:45AM (#37546297)
For sure. I do still take daily Pulmozyme, though the we have taken out the inhaled antibiotics. For reference, I'm 46.
Re:Life-changing cystic fibrosis treatment wins US$3M Breakt... by jamesblonde on Sunday September 17, 2023 @03:14PM (#37548387)
We also do inhaled natrium chloride. Congrats on taking care of yourself well enough to benefit from tricafta.