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Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by otikik on Saturday September 16, 2023 @06:16PM (#37539329)
No, you are doing the rich man thing; the rich man can afford to buy a $20 pair of boots which lasts 5 years. The poor man can only afford the low-quality $6 pair which lasts a year.
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by st-keller on Saturday September 16, 2023 @06:41PM (#37539518)
Maybe, but are they rich because they do it, or the other way around? Buying quality stuff is possible without being rich: Most of my friends in school had their fourth walkman before i had my first one (worked for 30+ years btw).
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by culopatin on Saturday September 16, 2023 @06:20PM (#37539353)
I know this doesn’t change your point but adding a 0 would make it match reality a bit more.
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by Vecr on Saturday September 16, 2023 @06:27PM (#37539419)
And then multiplying it by 2.
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by searealist on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:07PM (#37539729)
Show me the boots that are 3.3x more expensive but last 5x as long. When buying new, it's very rare that buying expensive actually saves you money.
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by bigbinary on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:25PM (#37539856)
There’s definitely a point of diminishing returns, but boots from Ross can cost about $45, while a $300 pair of red wings would last a lifetime, if maintained properly. A pair of $1000 boots are definitely beyond that line and will also last a lifetime, while costing 3.3x more
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by swalling on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:45PM (#37539973)
There are several brands of boots like this. I have a pair of Red Wing boots that I purchased new in 2013 (I don’t remember the price but today they are $350). Unlike most other modern sneakers or boots, they are made so that the soles be replaced, which I have done once for $100. Other than this, the only consumable part is shoelaces. With maintenance of the leather, it is completely expected for these boots to outlive me.
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by searealist on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:54PM (#37540040)
$350/3.3 is $106. Do you expect these boots to last 5x longer than $106 boots?
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by CobaltFire on Saturday September 16, 2023 @09:20PM (#37540532)
Mine did; I'm still wearing them (I bought mine in 2016, and they haven't needed resoled yet) and the $100 boots I was wearing (US Navy authorized) would barely last a year. So for the $300 or so I paid then I got 6 years hard use out of them, and I'm still using them for stuff now that I don't wear them for work.

I have other pairs of dress shoes from Red Wing that are similar; I doubt I'll EVER need to replace them.

Note: the boots are style 2412, the shoes are a variety but the oldest are called MIL-1 Congress boots (Chelsea). I have a few pairs of a different style dress shoe from the heritage line as well.

Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by searealist on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:46PM (#37540999)
What were the $100 boots? Do you wear your current boots an equal amount?
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by CobaltFire on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:54PM (#37541382)
Bates and Belleville, and at least as much.

I understand your point, but realize some of us really do live in these boots and have found some that make a huge difference.

The only (and big) negative for the Red Wings was the break in process. It was protracted and brutal. Once broken in they've been wonderful though.

Also, I'm giving the boots too much credit. Just looked them up and the Bellevilles I wore (800 ST) just before the Red Wings are $230 today. I replaced them yearly because they were coming apart.

For hiking and climbing I wear La Sportiva and they have been excellent as well, as another brand to look at.

Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by searealist on Sunday September 17, 2023 @01:45AM (#37541887)
Google search for that brand reveals:

> Our boot regulations and contracts severely limit our options to only a few very expensive-and often ineffective-models.

So these are just overpriced boots. My main point is that OP is pushing a narrative about how rich people somehow save money with their expensive purchases, which is complete nonsense. They buy luxury products which are more expensive in the long run.

Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by bigbinary on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:03PM (#37540761)
$106 would put someone at some okayish timberlands, which definitely degrade quick. Maybe not a year, but definitely 3 years max
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by swalling on Sunday September 17, 2023 @05:12PM (#37549374)
Given that the $100 Timberlands only last a year or two, the Red Wings already have lasted 5X longer.
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by searealist on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:57PM (#37540065)
$300/3.3 is $90. Do you think those boots will last 5x longer than $90 boots?
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by Gud on Sunday September 17, 2023 @03:36AM (#37542474)
I can't speak for his boots, but my Loake Sedbergh still look brand new after 2 years continuous use and with minimal care.

I give them a 10 second clean before use and 30 second clean + some polish after.

https://www.loake.com/product/sedbergh-black-grain/

Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by searealist on Saturday September 16, 2023 @08:01PM (#37540100)
What boots cost 3.3x these and will last 5x as long: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Brahma-Men-s-Combustion-6-Steel-T...
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by 3np on Saturday September 16, 2023 @09:42PM (#37540654)
Looking at the reviews: Most of them in that range.
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by searealist on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:06PM (#37541120)
The top review literally says it's better to buy these over and over when they wear out vs more expensive boots.
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by 3np on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:14AM (#37545901)
Finding $99.99 boots that last over a year isn't hard. And yet, yes, some people would apparently rather buy $30 ones every couple of months.

Scale accordingly for variance in usage and quality for the ones claiming 2w vs 1y.

Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by convolvatron on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:25PM (#37539859)
I have worn the same 3 pairs of wesco boots for 25 years, and expect them to last at least another 25. working alot of that time as a metal fabricator. 1 is one its last legs, 1 is ok, and 1 is nearly new.

I hope they're still in business.

Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by firecall on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:54PM (#37541053)
No problem!

I purchased a pair of Chelsea Boots from Churches of London in the late 90s and they still look great today!

I’ve had new soles a few times, and recent had a partial reconstruction; liners, pull tags and so on.

But I’ve had them 25 years and the actual boot leather is still fantastic!

Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by amanaplanacanal on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:37PM (#37541275)
Looks like Church’s was acquired by Prada USA corp in 1999. They may or may not be the same quality now.
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by otikik on Sunday September 17, 2023 @04:10AM (#37542691)
Don’t get hooked about the boots. You will probably not find boots for $6 neither. The point is about availability of options, not about how much a boot costs or lasts. See Pratchett quote above.
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by ashbee on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:17PM (#37540830)
I like the way Terry Pratchett put this in Men At Arms:

The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that’d still be keeping his feet dry in ten years’ time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

https://terrypratchett.com/explore-discworld/sam-vimes-boots...

Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by otikik on Sunday September 17, 2023 @04:05AM (#37542655)
Oh so that’s where I remember that from. Thanks! Mr Pratchett was a gift to humanity.
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by vijayr02 on Sunday September 17, 2023 @07:51AM (#37544048)
DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT A MAN IS NOT DEAD WHILE HIS NAME IS STILL SPOKEN?

(I know this wasn't spoken by DEATH but it seemed appropriate)

For a true DEATH quote:

‘DON’T THINK OF IT AS DYING,’ said Death. ‘JUST THINK OF IT AS LEAVING EARLY TO AVOID THE RUSH.’

Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by MiguelX413 on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:52PM (#37541037)
Ironically enough, the last sarcastic clause about being out of touch is true.
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by mvdtnz on Sunday September 17, 2023 @01:09AM (#37541723)
Do you expect people who have the means to flagellate themselves with cheap stuff to satisfy you? Or simply waste money buying the best of everything first time?
Re:Why everything you buy is worse now [video] by otikik on Sunday September 17, 2023 @04:13AM (#37542702)
I don’t understand this comment. Flagellation is not my thing, I’m good, thank you.