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Re:A boy saw 17 doctors over 3 years for pain. ChatGPT found... by OJFord on Monday September 11, 2023 @09:13PM (#37475819)
Decision tree is basically how doctors work, at least how they're trained to work. I think for a machine to be significantly better, for it to be impressive, it stands to reason it would work differently.
Re:A boy saw 17 doctors over 3 years for pain. ChatGPT found... by koolba on Monday September 11, 2023 @09:19PM (#37475882)
Not really. A programmatic decision tree will actually try out all the steps rather than glancing over the ones it thinks are not relevant. It also would not forget to test branches.

If all a doctor is doing is following a flow chart, you can be damn sure that a machine programmed with the same flow chart would do it more effectively.

Re:A boy saw 17 doctors over 3 years for pain. ChatGPT found... by Arainach on Monday September 11, 2023 @09:23PM (#37475926)
If there was always (or, let's be honest, ever) time and resources to test every branch, then that would be a fair comparison.
Re:A boy saw 17 doctors over 3 years for pain. ChatGPT found... by KerrAvon on Monday September 11, 2023 @09:26PM (#37475947)
It’s not fair to the doctor, but it’s better for the patient.
Re:A boy saw 17 doctors over 3 years for pain. ChatGPT found... by Dylan16807 on Monday September 11, 2023 @09:49PM (#37476138)
A robot doesn't have more resources, but it effectively has unlimited time to consider every branch.
Re:A boy saw 17 doctors over 3 years for pain. ChatGPT found... by ceejayoz on Monday September 11, 2023 @10:29PM (#37476402)
The patient they're diagnosing, however, might not.
Re:A boy saw 17 doctors over 3 years for pain. ChatGPT found... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @01:19AM (#37477156)
I wrote "consider" because that doesn't need to involve the patient.

But also the patient usually has plenty of time to answer additional questions. You can cover a ton of ground in less than an hour.

Re:A boy saw 17 doctors over 3 years for pain. ChatGPT found... by ceejayoz on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @06:58AM (#37479215)
“I’ve considered all the options for three months. You have a rare cancer that will kill you in… uh oh.”

Patient doesn’t have to be sitting in the exam room to run out of time.

Re:A boy saw 17 doctors over 3 years for pain. ChatGPT found... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @12:08PM (#37483406)
What I meant is that the computer can do three months of considering in less than five minutes real time. That's the benefit of tossing raw processing power at things.
Re:A boy saw 17 doctors over 3 years for pain. ChatGPT found... by koolba on Monday September 11, 2023 @10:02PM (#37476219)
That’s the point. Time and parallelization is cheap for machines.

I can see a short term future where “doctors” are replaced with non-doctor medical personal who gather data. Blood draws, temperature checks, collecting stool samples, photographing lesions, these are all easier with two hands. Analyzing the data will be done for the masses by machine.

And of course because of how the USA healthcare system works, it will somehow manage to be evens more expensive.

Re:A boy saw 17 doctors over 3 years for pain. ChatGPT found... by kelseyfrog on Monday September 11, 2023 @09:59PM (#37476201)
GP mentioned flowcharts in the pedagogy of medicine which is an easily verifiable statement. Anyone willing to page through Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine will be able to identify the decision tree figures. They are depicted on a pale green field.

Not the first in the tome, but pg 240[2] contains a great example of such a decision tree.

1. https://archive.org/details/harrisons-principles-of-internal...

2. https://archive.org/details/harrisons-principles-of-internal...

Re:A boy saw 17 doctors over 3 years for pain. ChatGPT found... by drewcoo on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:42AM (#37477927)
> If all a doctor is doing is following a flow chart

I don't think humans do that in the same way as code would. And why would they? That's exactly how they're more valuable!