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Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by VHRanger on Monday September 04, 2023 @08:59PM (#37386701)
Thanks, effectivealtruism.org!

I think I'll become an expert in running a retail cryptocurrency exchange and hedge fund. Maybe move the operation to the Bahamas as a tax optimization.

Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by ikt on Monday September 04, 2023 @09:09PM (#37386769)
what's the link between sbf and effectivealtruism.org?
Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by boxed on Monday September 04, 2023 @09:14PM (#37386799)
SBF used effective altruism as cover for his fraud. People in the movement swallowed his bs. Like everyone else...
Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by TheNewsIsHere on Monday September 04, 2023 @09:31PM (#37386884)
My opinion is that Effective Altruism is effectively a late-stage capitalist cult of convenience.

Anything Sam Altman is near, I stay away from.

Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by BobbyJo on Monday September 04, 2023 @09:42PM (#37386942)
I can do more good, long term, sitting on wealth at 7% until I'm old and tired, than if I spent it pulling kids out of the third world today. /s
Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by boxed on Monday September 04, 2023 @09:39PM (#37386928)
He was also near to bread and water. Best stay away!
Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by brewdad on Monday September 04, 2023 @10:38PM (#37387249)
I’m gluten intolerant, so I’m halfway there.
Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by whatshisface on Monday September 04, 2023 @09:34PM (#37386900)
I can write the following comment about basically anything:

The community is a piece of work but the founding ideas are worth learning from.

Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by VHRanger on Monday September 04, 2023 @10:17PM (#37387131)
Peter Singers founding ideas, sure.

Will MacAskill, nope.

Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by whatshisface on Monday September 04, 2023 @10:33PM (#37387222)
I had never heard of the latter.
Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by rrherr on Monday September 04, 2023 @10:48PM (#37387294)
Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by whatshisface on Monday September 04, 2023 @10:49PM (#37387302)
If saying some crazy things means everything they say is wrong then you'd have to be a Christian Atheist once you put the bible and the complete works of Thomas Paine together.
Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by ellrob88 on Monday September 04, 2023 @11:52PM (#37387658)
Can you explain your opposition to Singer's views? I understand he argues in favor of legalising voluntary euthanasia, and increased abortion rights. As a non-religious person, his arguments generally seem quite rational to me, but I'm keen to understand more.
Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by boxed on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @02:08AM (#37388392)
It's not clear she's not just trolling against abortion. Is that what the article is? Because I looked up the author and she was disabled her entire life to to a genetic disease. It seems pretty reasonable to allow abortion for cases like this. Which is why it IS legal and even recommended in most of the western world.
Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by chrisdirkis on Thursday September 07, 2023 @01:43AM (#37415156)
I disagree with Harriet Johnson in at least a few cases, but the entire thrust of that piece and her argument within is "it's insane that people make judgements on my quality of life, without asking me, and say that I should not be born". You can make that argument and also believe that abortion is an appropriate tool for some cases.
Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by eru on Monday September 04, 2023 @11:09PM (#37387398)
What you say rings true, but the opposite is also often true.

Eg the founding ideas of almost all religions are nuts [0], but the communities are often worth learning from.

[0] Most religions' ideas are mutually exclusive, so at most one or zero can be true. The rest must be nuts. Figuring out which, if any, religion is not nuts is left as an exercise for the reader.

Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by mtc010170 on Monday September 04, 2023 @11:19PM (#37387460)
HN may not be the best forum to maximize your distance from Sam Altman, if that’s truly a goal.
Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by Utkarsh_Mood on Monday September 04, 2023 @11:39PM (#37387588)
Sam isnt really a proponent of EA, for what its worth.

https://twitter.com/sama/status/1593046526284410880?lang=en

Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by ikt on Monday September 04, 2023 @10:15PM (#37387119)
no, he ran a crypto exchange and behind the scenes his companies trading desk used it's own coin as leverage, nothing to do with ea
Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by boxed on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @02:10AM (#37388411)
Yea exactly. He just said he did crypto stuff to get money for good things later. Those later things didn't materialize.
Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by ikt on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @05:59AM (#37389814)
Just reading this Atlantic article: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/cryptocurr...

> Yet this crisis also creates an opportunity. * Effective altruism, the movement, is not the same thing as effective altruism, the practice of financially maximalist and rigorously data-driven philanthropy. * Divorcing the latter from the former would benefit everyone on the planet.

I've been wondering why you guys care about some guy who ran a crypto exchange and what that has to do the with the core philosophy of effective altruism but it seems like you've all linked the movement with the philosophy to my chagrin.

Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by yunwal on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @10:46AM (#37392381)
Personally, I have a few issues with the philosophy of EA that I believe are reflected in the community.

1) I believe the thought leaders behind the philosophy severely downplay the downsides of making money amorally. It’s considered a completely legitimate approach to find the highest paying job you can and donate lots of your salary. High paying jobs that attract EA believers (finance in particular, many areas of tech as well) tend to destabilize the economy, oppress people, and contribute to unreasonable expectations about economic growth that kill our planet.

2) The movement is culturally weak, doesn’t really attempt to branch out of a few men with similar finance/tech backgrounds with huge egos and savior complexes. This, to me, is not how change occurs. Culture is a necessary part of change. Sure, you can provide mosquito nets to malaria-ridden areas of the world, but that doesn’t change a culture of corruption or encourage the next generation to solve the local systemic issues that only they’re capable of fixing. Real movements attempt to change hearts and minds and incorporate different types of people. In other words, movements are inseparable from their community. Any philosophy that doesn’t incorporate community building is not going to be the most effective way of creating positive change.

Re:Become an expert in something specific and boring by karaokeyoga on Monday September 04, 2023 @09:19PM (#37386828)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_altruism#Approaches He is mentioned here (in "Donation"), FWIW.