At Taser maker Axon, ex-staffers say loyalty meant being tased or tattooed

Re:At Taser maker Axon, ex-staffers say loyalty meant being ... by JohnFen on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @05:42PM (#37329535)

I find that the demand for "loyalty" is even more problematic than the tasing or tattooing, to be honest. When anyone stresses "loyalty", especially to such a degree, that's an indication that something is very, very wrong with that person or group of people.

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Re:At Taser maker Axon, ex-staffers say loyalty meant being ... by woodruffw on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @05:47PM (#37329603)

I tend to agree; explicit demands for "loyalty" is usually a strong proxy for a mobster mentality.

That being said, I know more than a few companies that "encourage" (or at least explicitly approve of) employees getting tattoos, and it's always struck me as a significant red flag. It's usually tied to some kind of expression of loyalty.

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Re:At Taser maker Axon, ex-staffers say loyalty meant being ... by toomuchtodo on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @05:46PM (#37329583)

These are cults that provide a paycheck. Don't work for cults. Report them when they break the law (or seek counsel when it's a civil/contractual infraction).

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Re:At Taser maker Axon, ex-staffers say loyalty meant being ... by _a_a_a_ on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @05:47PM (#37329594)

Or country! That is the US, and US corporate culture can be very different (read: far more predatory) than the european.

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Re:At Taser maker Axon, ex-staffers say loyalty meant being ... by flangola7 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @05:47PM (#37329599)

Loyalty is a 2 way street. Otherwise it's just slavery.

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Re:At Taser maker Axon, ex-staffers say loyalty meant being ... by vasco on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @06:28PM (#37329990)

It's not slavery, it's just insecurity from who demands the loyalty. Employees are free to leave.

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Re:At Taser maker Axon, ex-staffers say loyalty meant being ... by flangola7 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @10:03PM (#37331621)

"Free" with many serious conditions. If you have to see a doctor every week for a chronic medical condition, you are very much not free to leave whenever you want.

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Re:At Taser maker Axon, ex-staffers say loyalty meant being ... by lafar6503 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @11:36PM (#37332170)

Everyone can request a vacation, but first a traditional bzzzzzt

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Re:At Taser maker Axon, ex-staffers say loyalty meant being ... by version_five on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @07:16PM (#37330368)

It's not significantly different imo than some of the ideological stuff workplaces are pushing these days (diversity equity, blabla). Any work that has to be something more than work is a problem imo.

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Re:At Taser maker Axon, ex-staffers say loyalty meant being ... by matrix_overload on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @07:30PM (#37330481)

It distracts people from demanding real stuff like a higher salary or a better schedule, so mission accomplished.

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Re:At Taser maker Axon, ex-staffers say loyalty meant being ... by throwanem on Thursday August 31, 2023 @01:08AM (#37332701)

I mean, so far nobody's tried to make getting a progress pride flag tattoo an condition of my employment. So there's that.

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Re:At Taser maker Axon, ex-staffers say loyalty meant being ... by IG_Semmelweiss on Thursday August 31, 2023 @10:15AM (#37337478)

No, but worst case if you decline the tatoo, you are fired.

Compare that you the very real request to attend a HR struggle session, or sign an expression of support of X cause in a letter

Now refuse. You, your friends, and your loved ones may end up fired AND, victims of a social media mob-lynching

As you can see, the downside is quite dramatic in 1 of the 2 scenarios. Tattoo is suddenly looking quite good!

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Re:At Taser maker Axon, ex-staffers say loyalty meant being ... by JohnFen on Thursday August 31, 2023 @10:46AM (#37337992)

> You, your friends, and your loved ones may end up fired AND, victims of a social media mob-lynching

When has this actually happened as a result of not attending some HR nonsense? And even if it did, getting fired seems like a much larger problem than being bad-mouthed online.

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Re:At Taser maker Axon, ex-staffers say loyalty meant being ... by Calamitous on Thursday August 31, 2023 @01:40PM (#37340928)

> getting fired seems like a much larger problem than being bad-mouthed online.

I’d argue the opposite: if I’m fired, I can get another job. If I’m bad-mouthed online, that can affect all future job prospects.

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Re:At Taser maker Axon, ex-staffers say loyalty meant being ... by omniglottal on Friday September 01, 2023 @02:26PM (#37354499)

The tattooless are not a protected class.

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