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Re:Housing Is a Labor Issue: Land owners are taking all the ... by xdennis on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @06:13AM (#37319726)
The problem isn't land owners it's landlords. Renting should be illegal and anyone caught accepting rent should lose his property to the renter.

Owning a lot of land/houses isn't really the problem. It's when you're not using them that's the problem. You should just sell and not leech on society by renting.

Re:Housing Is a Labor Issue: Land owners are taking all the ... by cpursley on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @06:26AM (#37319828)
Could you elaborate more about what you mean and how this would work?

Where do young adults live? Where do new residents in a city live?

Re:Housing Is a Labor Issue: Land owners are taking all the ... by aelhage on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @06:45AM (#37320021)
Not to mention the people that choose to rent. We can argue over how much landlords deserve, but they should generally be providing a service as well - maintaining the property and shielding the tenant from some of the risk.

I wonder if in this hypothetical "no renting" scenario we'd see complete home maintenance service companies take their place. It would be an improvement - you can fire them without moving, but I don't think we could expect them to be any less exploitative than landlords are now.

Re:Housing Is a Labor Issue: Land owners are taking all the ... by jppittma on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @06:47AM (#37320039)
There could be a government mortage program like the student loan program.
Re:Housing Is a Labor Issue: Land owners are taking all the ... by cpursley on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @07:14AM (#37320280)
Yes, because the government backed student loans worked out so well (they didn't, they massively inflated education costs and hurt poor people because you can't write them off via bankruptcy).
Re:Housing Is a Labor Issue: Land owners are taking all the ... by dagw on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @07:46AM (#37320580)
If I'm moving to a new city/country for a job (or university), I don't want to buy a place on day 1. I want to rent for a year or so to see if this is a place I actually want to live. This is even more true if I'm moving there on a shorter term contract.
Re:Housing Is a Labor Issue: Land owners are taking all the ... by wildrhythms on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @07:12AM (#37320270)
Public/social housing. Vienna already does this.[1] Another example: in 2021 the city of Berlin acquired 15k units from corporate landlords bringing the total publicly-owned units to about 20% the total of rental units in the city.[2]

>Experts refer to Vienna’s Gemeindebauten as “social housing,” a phrase that captures how the city’s public housing and other limited-profit housing are a widely shared social benefit: The Gemeindebauten welcome the middle class, not just the poor. In Vienna, a whopping 80 percent of residents qualify for public housing, and once you have a contract, it never expires, even if you get richer. Housing experts believe that this approach leads to greater economic diversity within public housing — and better outcomes for the people living in it.

[1] https://archive.is/P2Vad

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/23/magazine/vienna-social-ho...

[1] https://www.huduser.gov/portal/pdredge/pdr_edge_featd_articl...

[2] https://apnews.com/article/europe-business-elections-berlin-...

Re:Housing Is a Labor Issue: Land owners are taking all the ... by em-bee on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @09:52AM (#37322177)
In Vienna, a whopping 80 percent of residents qualify for public housing

but only 0.5 million out of an almost 2 million population do live in public housing, and it takes several years before you can get such a place.

Re:Housing Is a Labor Issue: Land owners are taking all the ... by fallingknife on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @06:33AM (#37319891)
I don't want to buy a house. I want to rent from a landlord. Why do you people always want to force me to buy a damn house?
Re:Housing Is a Labor Issue: Land owners are taking all the ... by zabzonk on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @06:22AM (#37319791)
i happily rented places for all of the 1970s - things went a bit wild after that
Re:Housing Is a Labor Issue: Land owners are taking all the ... by midoridensha on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @06:43AM (#37320002)
This opinion is out of some kind of fantasy land. What if I want to live in a place for 1 year, or even 6 months, then go somewhere else? What am I supposed to do, buy a place (paying 6% in fees), and then sell it again after 6 months, paying 6% again? How idiotic.

There's a reason people rent, and it's not because they can't afford a house.

Re:Housing Is a Labor Issue: Land owners are taking all the ... by praptak on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @06:49AM (#37320053)
> not leech on society by renting

All income from capital is renting.

Re:Housing Is a Labor Issue: Land owners are taking all the ... by Ekaros on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @06:59AM (#37320147)
What really is difference between owning a stock and property? Or a bond...

If we ban renting, why not ban other type of capitalism as well?

Re:Housing Is a Labor Issue: Land owners are taking all the ... by wildrhythms on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @07:09AM (#37320242)
>What really is difference between owning a stock and property

Well one of those things is needed for human survival.

Re:Housing Is a Labor Issue: Land owners are taking all the ... by Ekaros on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @07:21AM (#37320339)
So we should ban owning farm land? Or maybe electricity/fossil fuel production? Those are also needed for human survival.
Re:Housing Is a Labor Issue: Land owners are taking all the ... by jppittma on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @06:50AM (#37320065)
I think this needs a bit more nuance. Renting because you can't afford to own is obviously a scam. Financially literate people don't tolerate this sort of thing with cars/furniture, but are put in a position with housing where we don't have a choice.
Re:Housing Is a Labor Issue: Land owners are taking all the ... by fallingknife on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @03:14PM (#37327451)
We don't tolerate it for cars and furniture because you can take them with you when you move. If I had to sell my car and buy a new one every time I moved, you can be damn sure I would rather rent one. And buying/selling cars is a lot easier than houses.

Another thing to consider is that houses come with a 6% commission to pay the agents. If I have to move a few years later, and can't sell the house for 6% more than I bought it, I have to take a capital loss.

Re:Housing Is a Labor Issue: Land owners are taking all the ... by xscott on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @07:44AM (#37320556)
> Renting should be illegal

Are you going to make hotels illegal too?