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Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by simonh on Monday August 28, 2023 @01:56AM (#37290303)
Evergrande sells apartments before they are built to fund construction, and the purchasers pay mortgages during the build. If the company has insufficient funds to complete ongoing construction, which gets delayed, purchasers stop paying their mortgages and the company goes into a death spiral. Meanwhile purchasers get shafted, buildings stand uncompleted, and construction workers and materials suppliers see demand collapse.
Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by eweb101 on Monday August 28, 2023 @03:11AM (#37290824)
This creates a situation where developer and homeowner interests aren’t aligned. Once the developer receives the money, they are not incentivized to deliver the house on time or do quality construction.

The other model, where investors fund development before the house is sold, aligns both parties. The developer/investor wants to produce a good product so that it will sell at a high price and the buyer has the chance to inspect the property before purchasing.

Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by curiousObject on Monday August 28, 2023 @03:35AM (#37290986)
>The developer/investor wants to produce a good product so that it will sell at a high price and the buyer has the chance to inspect the property before purchasing

That should be a solution. But not usually that simple, sadly

The developer/investor wants to produce a product that LOOKS good so that it will sell at a high price. Read the other comments about quality

And, those investors often sell the property before it is finished or before it’s even started. So you have the same problem, with a longer chain of middlemen

Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by ryukoposting on Monday August 28, 2023 @07:35AM (#37292491)
There's some truth to this, but the appearance of quality is far more important in the latter scenario than actual quality. The average buyer isn't a housing inspector. They may have googled some stuff beforehand, but that's not saying much. It's another incarnation of the "informed consumer" farce.
Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by aden1ne on Monday August 28, 2023 @03:39AM (#37291003)
Note this isn't merely a Chinese thing. A variation of this is in fact the default way new units get build and sold in the Netherlands, for example.

Personal anecdote. I had a mortgage for 2 full years before being able to move in to my apartment because I bought it before a single stone was laid. The way this works here is that the money is held into an escrow account for most of time, with the construction company only receiving payments in installments (e.g. 'roof finished'). Lastly, the final 5% of the purchase amount is held back until 3 months after the unit is finished, which can be extended if large defects are found. Bankruptcy risk was covered with an insurance, which was a condition to the mortgage.

Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by Sakos on Monday August 28, 2023 @04:09AM (#37291190)
I would have to assume the company didn't use those payments to fund the building of properties for earlier mortgages. The Ponzi scheme nature of it is the Chinese thing (not that it has anything to do with being Chinese, it's just the reality of Chinese real estate today and of the past decades). Paying for the construction of a new home in installments is something done across the world.
Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by woooooo on Monday August 28, 2023 @05:42AM (#37291751)
If previous poster's description is correct, they would have to, right? Or have a revolving fund of debt which is the same thing with extra steps. Builder doesn't get paid until after building things, the construction has to be paid for somehow.

I guess the money being in escrow puts the risk on the builder instead of the buyer.

Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by Sakos on Monday August 28, 2023 @07:04AM (#37292277)
Iirc, Evergrande took on debt to pay for construction and used the money paid by customers to service those debts. That's the missing step.
Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by soared on Monday August 28, 2023 @09:18AM (#37293487)
What’s the purpose of doing one of these? I’m not seeing the benefit on your side of paying for 2 years of mortgage but not living in the property.
Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by red-iron-pine on Monday August 28, 2023 @09:53AM (#37293980)
guarantees you a spot of your choosing in a building of your choosing, which might be in demand in big cities -- there is only so much space in big, tight, well-established cities.

anecdotally, we were looking at houses to buy and many of the nice, well-priced ones, had multiple bids and even price increases (e.g. throw another $10k on it). not quite a full-on bidding war, but it became clear that if you want in you get in early, and pay for the privilege's.

same idea, except the place ain't built yet.

Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by AmIDev on Monday August 28, 2023 @10:27AM (#37294572)
You can do something similar in India as well. The benefit is that you get the flat at cheaper rate, at the risk of losing all your investment. There have been many cases of the developer going bankrupt, but nothing at the scale of evergrande.
Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by aden1ne on Thursday August 31, 2023 @06:59AM (#37335271)
Because it's the only way to buy new property in my location.