Re:Wealthy People Are Getting Full-Body Scans. Early Detecti...
by Calavar on Friday August 25, 2023 @09:26PM
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> If doctors later in the diagnostic process fail to take the differing base rate into account, that is not the fault of the preventative test, that is an error in determining what the correct follow up care is.
In today's medical malpractice climate, many physicians intentionally ignore the differing base rate.
Re:Wealthy People Are Getting Full-Body Scans. Early Detecti...
by drcode on Friday August 25, 2023 @09:33PM
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100% correct
But now we're no longer having a conversation about medicine
we're having a conversation about our broken legal system and our broken regulatory frameworks
Re:Wealthy People Are Getting Full-Body Scans. Early Detecti...
by tptacek on Friday August 25, 2023 @11:00PM
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Sounds like it does in fact have a bunch to do with the base rate fallacy.
Re:Wealthy People Are Getting Full-Body Scans. Early Detecti...
by drcode on Friday August 25, 2023 @11:37PM
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I suppose that's fair way to look at it, but people are being left with the impression that the problem is inherent in the tests, when the problem is entirely separate from the tests themselves.
Re:Wealthy People Are Getting Full-Body Scans. Early Detecti...
by tptacek on Friday August 25, 2023 @11:54PM
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I suppose it's a fair way to look at it, too! It's good when we can reach a shared understanding of what's happening; so often, the dynamics of message boards work against that.
Re:Wealthy People Are Getting Full-Body Scans. Early Detecti...
by lozenge on Friday August 25, 2023 @11:50PM
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Most people aren't going to be happy with "the scan shows something unusual that would normally be concerning, but you say you feel fine so I'll trust you instead of the scan".
Re:Wealthy People Are Getting Full-Body Scans. Early Detecti...
by n8henrie on Saturday August 26, 2023 @12:39AM
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What is the base rate of a not-very-suspicious-but-maybe-a-little-bit finding on imaging of an asymptomatic person in the general not-sick population?
I think pretending that medicine is equipped to deal with this in a healthy way is stretching the limits of well established medical science, and beyond what I would expect even a well intentioned and astute physician to know how to approach (or at least have been trained to do so expertly).
Not that you're wrong, you're not, strictly speaking.
Relevant piece: https://dynomight.net/diagnostics/
In this case we ABSOLUTELY KNOW the base rate is lower, since it was a preventative scan. The fallacy only happens if you then subsequently fail to adjust for the differing base rate.
If doctors later in the diagnostic process fail to take the differing base rate into account, that is not the fault of the preventative test, that is an error in determining what the correct follow up care is.