Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma...
by lovich on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:26AM
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It’s used to signal when you have a pair of the same letters but the second has a different pronunciation.
So “deer” has two e’s but no umlaut because they make the same sound but “coördinate” has the umlaut since the second o is a new sound.
I personally like them and wish they would come back if only as a small push back against the horrific ambiguity that is the English language
Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma...
by meepmorp on Thursday August 24, 2023 @06:54PM
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> It’s used to signal when you have a pair of the same letters but the second has a different pronunciation.
That's a somewhat naïve take.
Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma...
by simiones on Friday August 25, 2023 @08:39AM
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As far as I understand, it's actually used to indicate a hiatus instead of a diphtong. E.g. naïvety is meant to indicate that aï are part of different syllables and shouldn't be pronounced in the same syllable, just like the oö in coördinate.
Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma...
by rob74 on Thursday August 24, 2023 @12:09PM
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The catch is that the diaeresis in Türkiye does something completely different that the diaeresis you mentioned, so actually it would be less confusing if English didn't have it at all.
...then again, even some Germans are using the diaeresis for this purpose, such as this guy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Ho%C3%ABcker - and you can't blame him, because usually "oe" is a transliteration of "ö", and then his name would mean "hump" (as in camel's hump).
Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma...
by crazygringo on Thursday August 24, 2023 @01:15PM
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Where did you go to school, if you don't mind me asking? I didn't realize that was ever something that was taught -- I'm curious if it's a geographic thing?
The only place I've ever seen the diaeresis used like that is in the New Yorker.
Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma...
by retrac on Thursday August 24, 2023 @01:34PM
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Ontario, Canada, in the '90s.
We weren't required to use it but there was a brief lesson on co-operate, cooperate, coöperate, etc. being valid variants. Maybe Mr. B. aspired to have students who would one day read The New Yorker.
I don't adhere to it. It is dated, perhaps even archaic. But it is still the preferred spelling in some style guides, and it is still used in some publications.