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Re:Common mistakes in salary negotiation by yieldcrv on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @04:42PM (#37241645)
that’s nice but not holistic enough

people are overly assuming ingrained bias from a shadowy cabal of hiring managers and not looking at different gendered funnels, attrition, and personal contribution to the outcomes all within the same roles

HIRED’s recruitment report, for example, found very gendered compensations asks to begin with

similarly, people discount the risk many men take to skew it. for everyone worried about coming across as “too bitchy” there are a bunch of men that came across as “too cocky” and got fired or rejected and kept trying until they were hired at a company who needs someone to “to make the tough decisions” like tough to swallow decisions

the observation discounts how many people are overly focused on moving up in one company, versus not being married to any particular company at all, and how gendered even that is, when the latter has a 30% pay bump compared to eking out 5% discretionary promotions within the same company

also discounted is how many men would also leave the workforce if there was a reliable option of being subsidized for house work and unpaid emotional labor, you’ll get workplace equality and wage normalization overnight with that patch to the culture, instead of focusing solely on trying to patch the workplace and acting confused when the same outcome persists

the incentives for men are work or homelessness, unsheltered, outside. there are no classified ads with discounted or free rent “for men only”, or working for the self accolade of proving you didn't do the easy option. these things are all connected to workplace outcomes

Re:Common mistakes in salary negotiation by saagarjha on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @08:04PM (#37243514)
Nobody was talking about gender here until you used it as an excuse to reiterate talking points about how pay disparity is actually explained by women not asking for enough money or how men actually have it hard.
Re:Common mistakes in salary negotiation by yieldcrv on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @08:13PM (#37243593)
the person I replied to was in an environment about gender

> “they were especially trying to make sure women were making as much as men”

when the incentive models are unequal the behaviors of the market participants will be unequal

you’ll get workplace equality and wage normalization overnight with that patch to the culture, instead of focusing solely on trying to patch the workplace

Re:Common mistakes in salary negotiation by irrational on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @10:25PM (#37244354)
The company has over 80,000 employees and women are more than 50% of the full time employees and the majority of managers are women (by a long shot). I'm not sure what needs patching to the culture.
Re:Common mistakes in salary negotiation by yieldcrv on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @11:40PM (#37244756)
Not your workplace culture, the whole culture

To get a similar level of representation more commonly