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Re:When Trucks Fly by resolutebat on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @06:14PM (#37229267)
I'm genuinely confused by what you're outraged by here. The average New Yorker reader knows more about wines than monster trucks, so they're trying to put it in terms that will make sense to their readers.

If anything, the article reads as the opposite of pretentious to me: it makes it clear that monster trucking isn't just brainless amusement for inbred yokels, but a sport where things like the exact composition of dirt is critically important.

Re:When Trucks Fly by shockeychap on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @06:31PM (#37229449)
"isn't just brainless amusement for inbred yokels"

The article never made reference to "inbred yokels". It didn't have to. It can couch its descriptions in the language of coastal elites who supposedly know more of wine and polo than they do of simple things like truck rallies. And while it's ostensibly explaining how "sophisticated" the sport is, the readers will fully understand the "isn't just brainless amusement for inbred yokels" part.

I wouldn't characterize my response as one of outrage. But I do find it off-putting and pretentious.

Re:When Trucks Fly by ethanbond on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @06:34PM (#37229477)
"It can couch its descriptions in the language of [its primary audience]." This is a weird critique.
Re:When Trucks Fly by shockeychap on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @06:46PM (#37229587)
That's fair to say, and I don't deny being a little hostile toward snobbery and pretension. I always have been. However, I also don't think [its primary audience] is quite right. I think [its primary audience's self image] is a little more correct.
Re:When Trucks Fly by ethanbond on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @11:01AM (#37237121)
Yes it's a total myth that more readers of The New Yorker would know "wine people care about soil" than know "monster truck people care about dirt."
Re:When Trucks Fly by dylan604 on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @07:02PM (#37229727)
>But I do find it off-putting and pretentious.

If you let someone make you feel guilty about the things you like, then there's a bit of self reflecting that should be done.

Re:When Trucks Fly by rodgerd on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @07:16PM (#37229837)
> the language of coastal elites

For someone wanting plain language, it's surprising that you say "New York Jews" this way.

Re:When Trucks Fly by AlbertCory on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @09:42PM (#37230875)
ctrl-f "jew" no hits.
Re:When Trucks Fly by zoklet-enjoyer on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @09:55PM (#37230970)
I don't think of New York specifically or Jews at all when I see the term "coastal elites."

I think of wealthy business owners on the east and west coasts. Venture capitalists. Managers at software companies. Politicians. Just high paid and/or influential people who think highly of themselves and others in their cliques.

Re:When Trucks Fly by OfSanguineFire on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @03:24AM (#37232830)
The New Yorker was founded to reflect a WASPy perspective, its celebrated founder was of rather humble background and chased that. And how many Jews, historically, were among the American elites playing polo? Your comment is well out of order.
Re:When Trucks Fly by JimtheCoder on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @06:23PM (#37229354)
"but a sport where things like the exact composition of dirt is critically important."

Let's not swing the pendulum too far in the opposite direction either...

Re:When Trucks Fly by dmbche on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @06:35PM (#37229488)
Never driven one, but ai'm fairly certain they weight absurd amounts and wreck the tracks they go on - the soil is going to be imoortant to take into consideration for tires, inflations, setting the suspension.

Just like setting up race cars or bikes is a lot more than turning a key and ripping the track, even if it's asphalt!

Re:When Trucks Fly by petsfed on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @06:45PM (#37229581)
I feel like an article that starts with "A monster trucker is the kind of person who has a favorite type of dirt." is trying to say something about "the kind of person who has a favorite type of dirt", and fans thereof, and its not positive.

The whole article reads to me with the same smug superiority as an Onion article about, well, self-described sophisticates enjoying things with a smug sense of superiority[0]. The thing curiously absent from the article is any sort of enthusiasm for the subject matter. Its all very clinical, and seems at best bemused about other people's enthusiasm, without anything to suggest why that enthusiasm might be justified.

0. https://www.theonion.com/ill-try-anything-with-a-detached-ai...

Re:When Trucks Fly by dsr_ on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @07:54PM (#37230124)
You know who else has favorite kinds of dirt?

Farmers.

Gardeners.

Potters.

Kids who have ever been in the wrong sandbox.

Sorry, I think your interpretation is incorrect.

Re:When Trucks Fly by petsfed on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @09:57AM (#37235960)
... but not, you know, urban sophisticates. There's nothing to tie a gardener's experience of dirt to a monster truck driver (or fan). There's nothing to tie a potter's experience of dirt to a monster truck driver. The way farmers are discussed in the article, I submit that the writer doesn't know, or care to know, any of those either.

There's a lot of words expended on how the people who are already fans get excited about some event. But the thing I was waiting for was the writer to express some excitement himself. Its always held at arms' length. Bits like

>The appeal has a certain timelessness: people have always liked really big stuff, particularly of the unnecessary variety. Stonehenge, pyramids, colossi, Costco. For perhaps obvious reasons, this is usually a male impulse.

or more damningly

>It was the experience of seeing something amazing and slightly ridiculous, something you’d have never thought of yourself, like a dog juggling knives. I understood the hugging impulse.

and

>As they rumbled by, grown men yelled at the top of their lungs, and a bachelorette party in front of Nudie’s Honky Tonk took videos.

really make it clear that the writer wants us to know he's not one of them, and you, the average New Yorker reader, should not try to find common ground with these people. He doesn't change his tune until the final segment, where he drives one of these trucks himself. Until then, its just bemused descriptions of other people's excitement, and its hard not to hear some second-hand embarrassment in those descriptions.

Re:When Trucks Fly by gumby on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @08:01PM (#37230197)
I read it as sympathetic and supportive.
Re:When Trucks Fly by bombcar on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @08:11PM (#37230273)
Here’s a video on a similar “redneck phenomenon” with respect and admiration shown to what is happening: https://youtu.be/VZ6_8WJ3mh8
Re:When Trucks Fly by AlbertCory on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @09:45PM (#37230904)
Exactly, and we have Hunter Thompson and Tom Wolfe as good examples of how to write this kind of thing. Zach Helfand isn't fit to clean their typewriter keys.
Re:When Trucks Fly by TomDavey on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @07:13PM (#37229814)
Tut-tut, my good sir, condescension is the raison d'être of The New Yorker.