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Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by jasonjmcghee on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @12:27PM (#37225039)
Use to be 100% linux person. I've gone through many thinkpads. M1 Air is so far beyond them it's not even close.

Battery life is (not exaggerating) 5x or more in my experience.

It's honest to god, much faster.

Completely silent and cool. (one of my thinkpads almost burned me it got so hot, and the fans get so loud)

I've never had a single crash, random restart, failure to sleep, failure to charge, driver problem, touchpad randomly not working, wifi failing, all of which I've had with thinkpads.

Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @12:47PM (#37225331)
>driver problem, touchpad randomly not working, wifi failing, all of which I've had with thinkpads.

Those are Linux driver issues, not HW issues.

Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by padjo on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @01:42PM (#37226140)
And when I can’t join a call because the Wi-Fi has stopped working I’m sure everyone will appreciate that distinction
Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @01:52PM (#37226280)
Did Lenovo sell you the laptop with Linux compatibility explicitly stated?
Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by bee_rider on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @01:37PM (#37226059)
Incompatibility is a two-sided issue, there are enough laptops out there that work perfectly fine in Linux. But a brand isn’t a technical promise, they’ll miss with some models and hit with others.

People always complain about Lenovo in these threads, I think because they are held up as the “good non-Apple laptop” brand for whatever reason. I suspect this reputation makes people assume they can just grab any random model and it will work perfectly. That’s just a roll of the dice, maybe weighted in favor of working, but still random.

Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @06:13PM (#37229259)
>But a brand isn’t a technical promise, they’ll miss with some models and hit with others.

Sure, that's why there's now a dozen Laptop brands that ship with Linux compatibility in mind.

Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by dlivingston on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @01:36PM (#37226045)
That only matters in a technical sense -- as a consumer, I want a flawless out-of-the-box experience. I don't care if X isn't working because of Y or Z; I only care that it isn't working.
Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by organsnyder on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @12:51PM (#37225401)
> Those are Linux issues, not HW issues.

The touchpads on my wife's T470 and my T480 have very similar intermittent issues, despite her running Windows and me running Linux.

Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by Dylan16807 on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @02:11PM (#37226543)
They are very likely hardware issues that the Linux driver is simply not working around rather than being actually wrong.
Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by kayodelycaon on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @04:09PM (#37227897)
If you're using Linux and there are no good, reliable drivers for your machine, it might as well be a hardware issue.
Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by olddustytrail on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @04:49PM (#37228317)
If you're too lazy to make a Linux driver for your hardware, it's a hardware issue.
Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @05:40PM (#37228888)
Maybe some HW companies don't have the budget to write drivers for the 3% userbase that is PC Linux users.

Especially since most commodity HW is in a constant race to the bottom in terms of pricing, calling them "lazy" is a huge slap in the face, especially if you knew how overworked and underpaid people in that industry tend to be.

Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by eru on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @09:44AM (#37235743)
As a user, I don't really care about the root cause..
Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by bee_rider on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @01:43PM (#37226152)
A 5x battery life improvement seems like the baseline had some issues, unless your MacBook goes like a week without charging.
Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by mschuster91 on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @02:32PM (#37226784)
My M2 MBA routinely goes past 10-16 hours of life time with simple coding stuff (phpstorm and PHP in Docker), and it stays comfortably cold all time. Most Windows laptops struggle to get more than 3-4 hours and will fry off your balls if used as actual laptops.
Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by bee_rider on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @02:56PM (#37227060)
The poster was apparently a 100% Linux person previously, though. I’m pretty sure Windows was designed to heat up like that as a funny joke. For example on Reddit I see somebody complain that they only get 5 hours with my laptop model (zenbook flip 13)

https://www.reddit.com/r/ASUS/comments/ry0nwb/the_asus_flip_...

But it is pretty easy to get 14 in Linux I think, at least if you believe the battery indicator.

Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by mschuster91 on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @05:13PM (#37228597)
> I’m pretty sure Windows was designed to heat up like that as a funny joke

Nah, it's common across all x86 devices. Even Apple's old lineup... which is why they went for M in the first place, Intel couldn't be arsed to deliver something power efficient.

Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by bee_rider on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @05:39PM (#37228867)
I guess I find this troubling because it would seem to indicate that I spend multiple hours a day typing at a dead laptop, hallucinating that it is still working.
Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by nicce on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @03:45AM (#37232959)
To be fair, Windows has better battery optimisations for new laptops. Many hardware supported sleep modes are still missing from Linux kernel, for example, when I checked last time.

Huge differences come probably from the lack of user skills, less about the OS. Or just broken drivers.

Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by qwytw on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @06:47AM (#37234029)
Isn't battery life generally much worse on Linux compared to Windows?
Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by bee_rider on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @12:17PM (#37238324)
It is pretty configurable. I don’t see why it should be worse (assuming of course you don’t have driver problems).

And the configuration is pretty helpful, for example I have an OLED screen, so I can get some power savings from making things mostly black.

Plus the hard drive can mostly be idle; you don’t have Cortana or whatever they call it now poking around for interesting bits.

Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by jasonjmcghee on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @03:01PM (#37227120)
Most recent Thinkpad was X1 Carbon with Kubuntu, running intellij / browsers / docker would last around 3 hours or so. M1 Air is 15+.

I also have a Anker 737 battery, with it I can double the macbook's battery if fully charged. The Thinkpad would only charge partially, so wouldn't even double.

Re:The first conformant M1 GPU driver by bee_rider on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @03:11PM (#37227259)
That’s weird, I wonder which program did it.

I typically get a day of work out of my Zenbook flip 13; I haven’t really measured the battery performance rigorously because it is easily long enough that I don’t think about it (the battery indicator will say 14 hours, but those are of course pretty flaky). I’m a vim/Firefox with ads blocked guy though so I guess I must not be making it work very hard.