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Re:Dude,Where's My Donations? Wikimedia gives another $1M to... by sdsd on Friday August 18, 2023 @03:10PM (#37180620)
>the vast majority of your donation does go to maintaining wikipedia.

Who knows? Is there any good investigative breakdown of exactly what Wikimedia Foundation spends most of its income on? Does it have a huge admin parasitical attachment sucking the money away? I'm not accusing, just wondering myself. Perhaps someone knows about this.

Re:Dude,Where's My Donations? Wikimedia gives another $1M to... by bhaney on Friday August 18, 2023 @03:20PM (#37180736)
Their financials are public [1]. See page 4 of the document (6th page of the pdf) for their expenditure breakdown.

Some quick highlights: of their >$150M of usable donations, they spent about 57% of it on "salaries," 10% of it on "awards and grants," 4% of it just on processing donations, and a measly 2% on actual hosting costs.

[1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/2/26/Wikim...

Re:Dude,Where's My Donations? Wikimedia gives another $1M to... by GauntletWizard on Friday August 18, 2023 @04:06PM (#37181367)
There's not a good public breakdown of how much of those salaries are on people developing Wikipedia/mediawiki/moderation tools, and how much are on special projects. It doesn't matter, anyway, because impressive failed software projects like the awful visual editor are hard to parse out of the "real work" budget.

Wikimedia foundation has cancer [1]. They've provided a huge value and reaped big rewards, but now they have built to grow, and the growth engine just keeps wanting to grow.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guy_Macon/Wikipedia_has....

Re:Dude,Where's My Donations? Wikimedia gives another $1M to... by lostmsu on Friday August 18, 2023 @06:31PM (#37183006)
> It doesn't matter, anyway, because impressive failed software projects like the awful visual editor are hard to parse out of the "real work" budget.

This needs to be taken with the thought that not all projects necessarily end up good.

Re:Dude,Where's My Donations? Wikimedia gives another $1M to... by newaccount74 on Friday August 18, 2023 @09:57PM (#37184692)
Yeah, in retrospect it's easy to say that something was a waste of money. Much harder to tell ahead of time.
Re:Dude,Where's My Donations? Wikimedia gives another $1M to... by bawolff on Thursday August 24, 2023 @05:48AM (#37246913)
Visual Editor is generally pretty popular with a significant portion of users (especially newer users) using it. If that's a failure WMF should have more failures.
Re:Dude,Where's My Donations? Wikimedia gives another $1M to... by lock-the-spock on Friday August 18, 2023 @04:53PM (#37181964)
I don't understand this kind of critique. 2% on pure hosting cost. The horror! And they spend things on salaries, like web admins, accountants, lawyers to defend against all the different legal threats the face, people to handle takedowns, spam attacks, botfarms, PR, write the obligatory reports like the one you quote from, etc etc ...

For most companies the main expenditure is HR, that's normal and certainly expected for an org focused mainly on knowledge and information.

Re:Dude,Where's My Donations? Wikimedia gives another $1M to... by bhaney on Friday August 18, 2023 @04:57PM (#37182000)
What "critique" are you talking about?
Re:Dude,Where's My Donations? Wikimedia gives another $1M to... by newaccount74 on Friday August 18, 2023 @10:03PM (#37184730)
> a measly 2% on actual hosting costs

That's a good sign, isn't it? It means they are efficient and don't waste their budget on overpriced cloud services.

I'd be more pissed if a significant junk of the donations went straight to AWS.

Re:Dude,Where's My Donations? Wikimedia gives another $1M to... by bawolff on Thursday August 24, 2023 @05:50AM (#37246926)
> and a measly 2% on actual hosting costs.

Just keep in mind, when you don't use AWS, lots of costs that would normally be hosting costs become salary costs instead (the data center doesn't set itself up)

Re:Dude,Where's My Donations? Wikimedia gives another $1M to... by notnmeyer on Friday August 18, 2023 @03:15PM (#37180670)
https://www.charitynavigator.org/ is the best source i know for this.
Re:Dude,Where's My Donations? Wikimedia gives another $1M to... by oxfordmale on Friday August 18, 2023 @03:19PM (#37180732)
Only 42% of donations are used to maintaining Wikipedia and it's related sites.
Re:Dude,Where's My Donations? Wikimedia gives another $1M to... by tivert on Friday August 18, 2023 @03:30PM (#37180873)
> Only 42% of donations are used to maintaining Wikipedia and it's related sites.

How do you square that with this comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37180736) that says only they only spend "2% on actual hosting costs."

100% of the work of actually maintaining Wikipedia is is done by unpaid volunteers, and much of the tooling they use also appears to be developed on a volunteer basis.

Re:Dude,Where's My Donations? Wikimedia gives another $1M to... by oxfordmale on Friday August 18, 2023 @03:45PM (#37181087)
Re:Dude,Where's My Donations? Wikimedia gives another $1M to... by ethbr1 on Friday August 18, 2023 @04:05PM (#37181356)
The 42% presumably includes hosting cost and salaries in support of "Wikipedia and its companion sites", whereas the ~2% is direct hosting expenses.
Re:Dude,Where's My Donations? Wikimedia gives another $1M to... by oxfordmale on Saturday August 19, 2023 @03:46AM (#37186506)
I think the 42% is over inflated. Of course it takes more than just hosting Wikipedia, but the 42% likely includes a lot of vanity projects that are not needed to keep the website operational longterm.