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Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by blowski on Thursday August 17, 2023 @05:25PM (#37168334)
Perhaps that is your response, but it’s not true of everybody. I’ve done a lot of experiments with different types of email, and beautiful emails always get significantly better response rates.
Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by NoraCodes on Thursday August 17, 2023 @05:38PM (#37168481)
Ah. I think the difference is that when I send emails, I do so to communicate information, rather than to elicit people to buy a product.
Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by yakshaving_jgt on Thursday August 17, 2023 @05:51PM (#37168649)
Are you relying on the user's email client to convert plaintext URIs into interactive hyperlinks in transactional mail?
Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by NoraCodes on Friday August 18, 2023 @08:40AM (#37174836)
No. As I said, I'm not advocating for plain text only emails, just simple ones.
Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by franga2000 on Sunday August 20, 2023 @08:44AM (#37198563)
Even when communicating important information, using the company design has been the norm since graphic printing was invented. Even something as transactional as a bank statement or court summon will use the sending organization's logo, fonts and colors.
Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by LastTrain on Thursday August 17, 2023 @05:42PM (#37168527)
So, spam.
Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by yakshaving_jgt on Thursday August 17, 2023 @05:51PM (#37168661)
Is transactional email spam?
Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by LastTrain on Thursday August 17, 2023 @05:59PM (#37168753)
Well, that depends. Is it something I need to see? Did I proactively ask for it, or did I neglect to opt out? Etc, etc. If you are having to measure response rate, and it doesn't involve an emergency alert or some such, it is probably spam.
Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by yakshaving_jgt on Thursday August 17, 2023 @06:05PM (#37168829)
Transactional mail is not marketing mail.

It's typically a notification in response to an action you initiated on some web application.

https://postmarkapp.com/blog/what-is-transactional-email-and...

Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by seba_dos1 on Thursday August 17, 2023 @07:42PM (#37169797)
How much sense does it make to measure and discuss response rates for transactional mails though?
Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by blowski on Thursday August 17, 2023 @10:18PM (#37170757)
Low response rates are used as a spam signal by major email providers, whatever the type of email.
Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by seba_dos1 on Friday August 18, 2023 @10:18AM (#37175976)
How does that make any sense when those are often sent from no-reply addresses that are routed nowhere?
Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by yakshaving_jgt on Friday August 18, 2023 @03:00PM (#37180476)
I think response rate is meant more generally in this context. It doesn't necessarily literally mean an email in response. I think more typically it means the recipient following the call to action link in the email.
Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by LastTrain on Thursday August 17, 2023 @08:17PM (#37170043)
OK. So what, I'm not going to complete my password reset notification because the page isn't beautiful? If you are tracking response rates it is because people aren't expecting an email, because they didn't ask for one (i.e. it isn't a password reset notification). GP is right - I want information I /need/ to be in an email in a succinct format, and I don't want emails I don't need.
Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by yakshaving_jgt on Friday August 18, 2023 @02:26AM (#37171972)
1. Yes, normal people who don’t read HN have less trust in a plaintext email.

2. Yes, abandonment will be higher if the user can’t click the password reset link in the email.

Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by marssaxman on Friday August 18, 2023 @02:05PM (#37179692)
> less trust in a plaintext email

What a remarkable idea! "HTML mail = useless bullshit" is such a strong correlation in my mind that it had never occurred to me other people might see it the opposite way.

Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by yakshaving_jgt on Friday August 18, 2023 @04:00PM (#37181302)
I can't tell if this is sarcasm.

Personally, I've been using mutt in the terminal as my primary email client for several years, and I absolutely prefer plaintext email.

But this isn't about me. Nor is it about any other computer nerd here clutching their pearls over HTML email. The reality is that users of web applications — the kind that probably a significant proportion of HN readers develop to earn a living — expect HTML transactional email.

It's table stakes. That's just the reality.

Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by marssaxman on Friday August 18, 2023 @04:39PM (#37181786)
Not sarcasm at all.
Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by gilcot on Saturday August 19, 2023 @01:53PM (#37191310)
That's certainly why you aren't good fishing candidate like many people ;-)
Re:Why Does Email Development Have to Suck? – Explaining all... by cosmodisk on Friday August 18, 2023 @03:34PM (#37180949)
Beautiful emails are easy. Emails with well conveyed and informative text- much much harder.