Hacker News seems to be having lots of problems with the concept of “consent” lately, doesn’t it Paul Graham?

The rules changed the moment HN started training models on our data. Everyone here has the right to withdraw their consent Paul, especially now.

Let us delete our data!

The rules haven't changed. They are:

"With respect to the content or other materials you upload through the Site or share with other users or recipients (collectively, “User Content”), you represent and warrant that you own all right, title and interest in and to such User Content, including, without limitation, all copyrights and rights of publicity contained therein. By uploading any User Content you hereby grant and will grant Y Combinator and its affiliated companies a nonexclusive, worldwide, royalty free, fully paid up, transferable, sublicensable, perpetual, irrevocable license to copy, display, upload, perform, distribute, store, modify and otherwise use your User Content for any Y Combinator-related purpose in any form, medium or technology now known or later developed."

I am references the rules of society, and despite whatever legal nonsense HN wants to say they can do, the fact remains both California and the entire EU has the right to be forgotten and the right to erasure as a matter of law.

Hacker News is not entitled to break the law. Hacker News is not entitled to violate the data protection and privacy rights of its users.

You get to dictate what the rules of the entire society are? I am part of "society". I earnestly believe that once you publish something on the internet, it should be there forever (or for as long as that particular medium exists). That's the internet I grew up on. If you went to a newsgroup, or later a forum, whatever you posted there became "society's" and no longer belongs just to you.

Ummm no… the California Consumer Privacy Act and the GDPR did that. I’m just demanding that Hacker News comply with the law. That’s all. :)

You can disagree with these laws all you want, but they are the law and Hacker News is bound to them.

Specifically what information does the CCPA or the GPDR require HN to delete?

This isn't a broad "everything" law but rather relates to very specific information.

This information is publicly available on the CCPA and GDPR websites. There are exceptions to erasure. Forum comments are not one of them. Hacker News is in violation of both the CCPA and the GDPR.

The only way that comments you submit have personal information is if you include it. If you do so and want specific comments edited or deleted, I have complete faith the staff at HN will assist with that.

The rules, which you seem to think don't apply to you, for HN include:

"You acknowledge and agree that any questions, comments, suggestions, ideas, feedback or other information about the Site (“Submissions”) provided by you to Y Combinator are non-confidential and Y Combinator will be entitled to the unrestricted use and dissemination of these Submissions for any purpose, without acknowledgment or compensation to you."

Arbitrary forum comments do not contain information linking the comment to a real person which is what the CCPA and GDPR require in order for action to be taken.

You don't have a right to dictate what other people can remember about you.

Is that what I am doing? Telling you, you can’t remember me? Or am I just asking that an Internet forum I’ve contributed to for years comply with basic standards around data privacy and protection for its users?

You are welcome to use your organic brain that God gave you to remember me. I even think it’s a bit cute and kind to do that.

You are not welcome however, to compile data on me and refuse to comply with data protection laws.

Equating the two is uhh… well intellectually dishonest at best but I suppose you’re still waiting on that lottery ticket to hit and so are a bit afraid to tell the VCs this isn’t okay anymore.

We have a right to have our data deleted. Pure and simple.

> Is that what I am doing? Telling you, you can’t remember me?

Yes, effectively, by trying to remove information from a data store.

> You are not welcome however, to compile data on me

Yes, I am, and you aren't allowed to stop me.

People like you are why I am erasing everything I can about me from the internet. Your perspective is psychopathic and frankly terrifying.

I have heard nothing about the ai training, would you kindly link a source? That’s shocking if true.

You find it shocking that someone would data mine HN for comments to train AI models?

Bro… where have you been for the last 5 years? Are you paying any attention at all?

That would also explain why the HN BigQuery hasn't been updated for a while (as I read in another thread)