cool heads prevail. The division is a political ploy. I understand you anger as I feel it too. Don't let the hate poison the conversation. Sadly we need patience for unity, and unity to solve this long run.

> solve this long run.

What “long run”

"in the long run" means "over the long term"

I know what it means, I was making a statement as to the actual time available for a solution to be developed. Everyone appears to be talking about how incremental improvements over time to the hull of the Titanic will somehow stave off the immediate sinking that’s going on.

You can't stop the immediate sinking. Getting frustrated at people for not coming up with a "solution" faster is counterproductive. There will be some survivors. These survivors will need to solve the problem in the long run.

> You can't stop the immediate sinking.

Technically we can. Those in power don’t _want_ to. They don’t have our best interest at heart.

These kind of “it is inevitable” attitudes are a big part of the problem.

Yeah but this ain't an iceberg, it's a leak. Gradual improvement CAN fix it as long as people don't panic or give up.

> Yeah but this ain't an iceberg, it's a leak. Gradual improvement CAN fix it as long as people don't panic or give up.

The available data, as well as the interpretation of all credible climate scientists strongly begs to differ from your opinion.

When nature kills enough of us off that industrialized societies collapse because they lack enough people to run it.

At this point, climate change denial is indistinguishable from rooting for a Mad Max existence. Even if someone is not convinced, they should still go along with changes to reduce emissions the way scientists propose because the price of being wrong is nature deciding to reduce emissions its way. And, as we are seeing, that involves a whole lot of destroying everything.

Why does that make your life barely enjoyable? Curious to know what kind of lifestyle or living you have that the weather would have such a big impact on you.

At current temperatures outdoor exercise in Singapore even after dark is waaay less enjoyable than even a few years ago. It will be unenjoyable soon.

Being in nature and sunlight is arguably one of the few truly enjoyable activities on this planet

Third world countries are the biggest polluters from ruining their rivers and in emissions.[1][2]

but the biggest thing that makes me made is people posting misinformation on the internet while acting righteous about it.

[1] https://www.cgdev.org/media/developing-countries-are-respons... [2] https://www.conserve-energy-future.com/most-polluted-rivers-...

>but the biggest thing that makes me -- mad are the climate change deniers.

Don't say things like "life is barely enjoyable anymore" if you have any aspirations of changing their minds. (and you should if you care about the environment)

It's primarily an in/outgroup deal and what they perceive as melodrama just makes the divide worse. These people usually hunt/fish/enjoy the outdoors too. You can connect with that.