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Re:The Yandex Leak: How a Russian Search Giant Uses Consumer... by chaosbolt on Thursday August 10, 2023 @08:04AM (#37075111)
>Do we want, at a time when Russia is considering the UK as an enemy, to be providing all our personal details to a server in Moscow?

(answering to the OP) Yes, there is nothing the Russians can do with my data that my government hasn't done.

>Depends how good the search is. Google doesn’t seem to want to provide me proper results anymore, even very basic image search tasks on google now net you only about 20 results all of which are wrong or useless. Yandex image search actually works.

Same, google is either doing this on purpose to then launch the "saving" LLM or they're just forgetting how to do it, google images is unusable and when it is everything is a .webp. And google search is a pay to win, you type "official python documentation" and the whole first page is full of geekforgeeks and other sponsored websited, and don't even get me started on facts/news where it just shamelessly turns into a propaganda machine.

Yandex is at least gives you 5 or 6 good results before it starts showing things in Russian.

Re:The Yandex Leak: How a Russian Search Giant Uses Consumer... by afavour on Thursday August 10, 2023 @09:30AM (#37075924)
> Yes, there is nothing the Russians can do with my data that my government hasn't done.

I understand anti-government sentiment but whenever I see a statement like this it makes me devalue anything that comes after it. You really think there is nothing a foreign government might do with your personal data that your government hasn't already done? You really feel like there's a similar level of accountability at stake?

Re:The Yandex Leak: How a Russian Search Giant Uses Consumer... by AnimalMuppet on Thursday August 10, 2023 @09:52AM (#37076174)
Given that they live in the US/UK and not in Russia, yes.

As I understand it, the claim is not that the US/UK are as evil as Russia, or even more or less morally equivalent. The claim is that the US/UK hoover up online information just like Russia (maybe even more), and that they are more exposed to what the US/UK governments do than they are to what Russia does.

Without minimizing the misdeeds of Russia, without resorting to (false) moral equivalence, it's still a defensible point. (Mind you, I'm not sure I agree with it. But it's defensible.)

Re:The Yandex Leak: How a Russian Search Giant Uses Consumer... by AlecSchueler on Thursday August 10, 2023 @10:41AM (#37076765)
Haven't we seen by now countless claims of the Russian government influencing western democracies through things like ad tech?

When millions of us give them our data these kinds of attacks become easier and easier.

Re:The Yandex Leak: How a Russian Search Giant Uses Consumer... by AnimalMuppet on Thursday August 10, 2023 @12:01PM (#37077889)
Fair point, and something that should be considered. Also, we're essentially giving them a free, large scale open source intelligence feed.

But the GRU isn't going to come to my door and arrest me because I searched on the wrong thing, even if I use Yandex. So in that sense, I'm insulated from what they know about me.

Re:The Yandex Leak: How a Russian Search Giant Uses Consumer... by someone321 on Thursday August 10, 2023 @10:39AM (#37076747)
To me, the fact is that before pointing to what wrongs others do, we should fix our own thing. The US collects so much data about everyone, but people seem to find that ok. On the other hand, Russia collecting data is outrageous. This is such a weird thinking tbh.

I am indeed more afraid of what my own country can do with my data than foreign countries, especially Russia.

Re:The Yandex Leak: How a Russian Search Giant Uses Consumer... by afavour on Thursday August 10, 2023 @10:56AM (#37076958)
> To me, the fact is that before pointing to what wrongs others do, we should fix our own thing.

What's the phrase... letting perfect be the enemy of good? We'll never be perfect. So by that logic we won't ever be able to criticise anyone, even if their record is considerably worse than our own.

> The US collects so much data about everyone, but people seem to find that ok. On the other hand, Russia collecting data is outrageous. This is such a weird thinking tbh.

The US government is accountable to US citizens. There are regular elections where they can vote out a government that acts against their wishes. They have no such power over Russia, an aggressive power currently waging war against a US ally. Equivalence is the weird thinking, IMO.

Re:The Yandex Leak: How a Russian Search Giant Uses Consumer... by smolder on Friday August 11, 2023 @07:15AM (#37087361)
> What's the phrase... letting perfect be the enemy of good

I don't think this applies. When it comes to privacy of its citizens, there is no 'good' in the anglosphere. In the US we have a constitutional amendment specifically about the government not snooping but it's effectively moot. There is no respect given at all to the privacy of citizens by government.

Re:The Yandex Leak: How a Russian Search Giant Uses Consumer... by someone321 on Friday August 11, 2023 @08:00AM (#37087691)
I was not implying we should be perfect. Merely that we preach unto others what we don't do. And what good is that ? Do what I say but not what I do? Sorry, it makes no sense to me.

In any case, I'm not wanting to get political here, which doesn't make sense, but it's pretty new to me that Ukraine, or for that matter, any european eastern country is our "ally" (US/EU/UK) what we merely did the last 20 years is exploiting them to get what we need (e.g. precious metals, oil and stuff), just as we're doing with Africa.

I get your point about critics, but we condemn, accuse and create conflicts around things we do just the same as Russia. All this, is creating a huge mess and threat of very very severe escalation, that will probably impact Humanity in its entirety. So, in some sense, it's scary and outrageous to see that we (stupid) humans cannot get along.

Re:The Yandex Leak: How a Russian Search Giant Uses Consumer... by speed_spread on Thursday August 10, 2023 @11:21AM (#37077308)
Unless you live in a shit hole, the worse that can happen is for your government to "just" jail you based on the information you provided. But if you provide that same info to enemy forces, they might use it to get leverage on you, getting you into even deeper shit than you already were. And they'll eventually dump you anyway and you'll be in a much worse situation.