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Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by meragrin_ on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @08:14PM (#37070158)
> That only says that Google discourages such actions

Nope. It says that Google does not ding you for old content.

"Are you deleting content from your site because you somehow believe Google doesn't like "old" content? That's not a thing!"

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by reaperducer on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @09:23PM (#37070701)
"Are you deleting content from your site because you somehow believe Google doesn't like "old" content? That's not a thing!"

I guess that Googler never uses Google.

It's very hard to find anything on Google older than or more relevant than Taylor Swift's latest breakup.

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by resoluteteeth on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @09:37PM (#37070825)
I think in this context, saying that it's not a thing that google doesn't like old content just means that google doesn't penalize sites as a whole for including older pages, so deleting older pages won't help boost the site's ranking.

This is not the same as saying that it doesn't prioritize newer pages over older pages in the search results.

The way it's worded does sound like it could imply the latter thing, but that may have just been poor writing.

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by romusha on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @10:36PM (#37071244)
"poor writing" is the new "merely joking guys!"
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by pphysch on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @10:13PM (#37071096)
"Taylor Swift before:2010"

With archive search, the News section floats links like https://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/09/arts/music/09cara.html

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by dannysullivan on Thursday August 10, 2023 @01:34PM (#37079126)
That Googler here. I do use Google! And yeah, I get sometimes people want older content and we show fresher content. We have systems designed to show fresher content when it seems warranted. You can imagine a lot of people searching about Maui today (sadly) aren't wanting old pages but fresh content about the destruction there.

Our ranking system with freshness is explained more here: https://developers.google.com/search/docs/appearance/ranking...

But we do show older content, as well. I find often when people are frustrated they get newer content, it's because of that crossover where there's something fresh happening related to the query.

If you haven't tried, consider our before: and after: commands. I hope we'll finally get these out of beta status soon, but they work now. You can do something like before:2023 and we wouldn't show pages from before 2023 (to the best we can determine dates). They're explained more here: https://twitter.com/searchliaison/status/1115706765088182272

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by Dalewyn on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @09:32PM (#37070778)
Just because someone says water isn't wet doesn't mean water isn't wet.
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by wahnfrieden on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @09:36PM (#37070813)
The contrived problem of trusting authority can be easily resolved by trusting authority
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by Dalewyn on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @09:39PM (#37070843)
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

-George Orwell, 1984

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by havnagiggle on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @10:02PM (#37071029)
Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by legutierr on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @10:35PM (#37071237)
Do the engineers at Google even know how the Google algorithm actually works? Better than SEO experts that spend there time meticulously tracking the way that the algorithm behaves under different circumstances?

My bet is that they don't. My bet is that there is so much old code, weird data edge cases and opaque machine-learning models driving the search results, Google's engineers have lost the ability to predict what the search results would be or should be in the majority of cases.

SEO experts might not have insider knowledge, but they observe in detail how the algorithm behaves, in a wide variety of circumstances, over extended periods of time. And if they say that deleting old content improves search ranking, I'm inclined to believe them over Google.

Maybe the people at Google can tell us what they want their system to do. But does it do what they want it to do anymore? My sense is that they've lost control.

I invite someone from Google to put me in my place and tell me how wrong I am about this.

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by joe_the_user on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @10:42PM (#37071281)
Yeah,

Once upon a time, Matt Cutts would come on HN give a fairly knowledgeable and authoritative explanation of how Google worked. But those days are gone and I'd say so are days of standing behind any articulated principle.

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by dannysullivan on Thursday August 10, 2023 @11:56AM (#37077821)
I work for Google and do come into HN occasionally. See my profile and my comments here. I'd come more often if it were easier to know when there's something Google Search-related happening. There's no good "monitor HN for X terms" thing I've found. But I do try to check, and sometimes people ping me.

In addition, if you want an explanation of how Google works, we have an entire web site for that: https://www.google.com/search/howsearchworks/

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by allendoerfer on Saturday August 12, 2023 @05:11AM (#37098390)
Google Alerts come to mind.
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by pawelmurias on Thursday August 10, 2023 @04:56AM (#37073659)
It's really hard to get a deep or solid understanding of something if you lack insider knowledge. The search algorithm is not something most Googlers have access too but I assume they observe what their algorithm does constantly in a lot of detail to measure what their changes are doing.
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by dannysullivan on Thursday August 10, 2023 @11:54AM (#37077786)
The engineers at Google do know how our algorithmic systems work because they write them. And the engineers I work with at Google looking at the article about this found it strange anyone believes this. It's not our advice. We don't somehow add up all the "old" pages on a site to decide a site is too "old" to rank. There's plenty of "old" content that ranks; plenty of sites that have "old" content that rank. If you or anyone wants our advice on what we do look for, this is a good starting page: https://developers.google.com/search/docs/fundamentals/creat...
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by mrguyorama on Thursday August 10, 2023 @01:28PM (#37079034)
>The engineers at Google do know how our algorithmic systems work because they write them.

So there's zero machine learning or statistical modeling based functionality in your search algorithms?

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by dannysullivan on Thursday August 10, 2023 @01:47PM (#37079330)
There is. Which is why I specifically talked only about writing for algorithmic systems. Machine learning systems are different, and not everyone fully understands how they work, only that they do and can be influenced.
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by olalonde on Thursday August 10, 2023 @12:00AM (#37071790)
Maybe not related to the age of the content but more content can definitely penalize you. I recently added a sitemap to my site, which increased the amount of indexed pages, but it caused a massive drop in search traffic (from 500 clicks/day to 10 clicks/day). I tried deleting the sitemap, but it didn't help unfortunately.
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by graeme on Thursday August 10, 2023 @12:36AM (#37072006)
How many pages are we talking about here?
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by olalonde on Thursday August 10, 2023 @01:38AM (#37072368)
100K+. Mostly AI and user generated content. I guess the sudden increase in number of indexed pages prompted a human review or algorithm which flagged my site as AI generated? Not sure.
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by rightbyte on Thursday August 10, 2023 @09:25AM (#37075859)
Ye. I am flabbergasted by people that are gaslighting people into not being "superstitious" about Google's ranking.