Just Normal Web Things

Re:Just Normal Web Things by tacker2000 on Saturday August 05, 2023 @08:08PM (#37017558)

I also hate this. More and more of this JS nonsense is coming along and abusing the correct way of doing things.

There is a documentation platform called archbee (its even funded by YC) where if you run a search you cant open the search results in new tabs, you have to open one result in the current tab, and if its not what you want, you have to go back, search again and open the next result. This is incredibly infuriating.

You can see this behaviour here for example: https://docs.sparklayer.io/

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Re:Just Normal Web Things by phist_mcgee on Sunday August 06, 2023 @03:19AM (#37019680)

>More and more of this JS nonsense is coming along and abusing the correct way of doing things.

There's no such thing as this.

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Re:Just Normal Web Things by bottled_poe on Sunday August 06, 2023 @03:24AM (#37019707)

It’s like saying you can drink a milkshake using your mouth or your nose. Sure, both work, but..

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Re:Just Normal Web Things by inferiorhuman on Sunday August 06, 2023 @03:20AM (#37019683)

Try clicking on the "parent" link on HN.

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Re:Just Normal Web Things by runnerup on Sunday August 06, 2023 @03:50AM (#37019829)

Seems to work as expected?

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Re:Just Normal Web Things by inferiorhuman on Sunday August 06, 2023 @03:52AM (#37019841)

Javascript scrolls to the target and the browser history is clobbered. I expect it now, but it was an unwelcome change.

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Re:Just Normal Web Things by johnnyanmac on Sunday August 06, 2023 @05:50AM (#37020429)

The parent option isn't returning a new URL. it simply scrolls to the target. I don't see where it is impacting my internet history.

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Re:Just Normal Web Things by inferiorhuman on Sunday August 06, 2023 @06:03AM (#37020517)

Try to return to the previous location.

FWIW if you hover over the parent link it is indeed populated with a different URL.

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Re:Just Normal Web Things by johnnyanmac on Sunday August 06, 2023 @06:31AM (#37020627)

For some reference, this post is

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37013396 (shortened to 13396)

my comment you replied to

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37020429 (shortened to 20429)

and your comment here is

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37020517 (shortened to 20517)

I think the issue depends on whether you are on a a comment URL (e.g. clicking on the timestamp of a comment), or if you are on the post. If I'm scoped into 20517, the "parent" option is indeed a link to 20429. It will hard load to scope into 20429.

But if I'm on the actual 13396 post and click parent on your comment, I am instead 'loading' 13396#20429. Which of course isn't reloading the page but scrolling to a specific header.

I never personally liked the decision where replying or loading a comment took me to a whole new webpage instead of rending a formbox within 13396 and/or loading 13396#[comment ID], but I imagine there were historical and/or technical reasons for the decision. It generally doesn't bother me as I tend to mostly browse comments and only occasionally respond.

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Re:Just Normal Web Things by inferiorhuman on Sunday August 06, 2023 @06:50AM (#37020701)

   I am instead 'loading' 13396#20429. Which of course isn't reloading
   the page but scrolling to a specific header.

No, you're scrolling to that via javascript. Previously this was handled by not interfering with the link to that URL thus preserving history and your location on the page.

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