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Re:Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users by rchaud on Friday August 04, 2023 @11:51PM (#37008829)
Cable TV didn't use to have ads, until somebody figured out you could charge the customer and have other streams of revenue as well.

For Kagi, it's a matter of when, not if. Capitalism guarantees it.

Re:Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users by yakubin on Saturday August 05, 2023 @02:08AM (#37009426)
An even sadder example of it: Windows.
Re:Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users by freediverx on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @09:22AM (#37048584)
I don’t think the term enshittification applies when a product is fully enshittified from its inception.
Re:Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users by esafak on Saturday August 05, 2023 @02:20AM (#37009487)
No, it does not. They are free to create adjacent products to boost revenue as long as they want without debasing existing ones.
Re:Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users by TeMPOraL on Saturday August 05, 2023 @02:56AM (#37009651)
And the oxygen in the room you're in is free to concentrate in a single corner of it, making air in the rest of the room unbreathable.

Both are technically possible, but so extremely unlikely, that you can rely on them not happening.

Re:Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users by yard2010 on Saturday August 05, 2023 @05:28AM (#37010407)
My ML prof in university used this as an example for something that could happen but is highly unlikely. Each particle of oxygen can be in either half of the room so it's like 1/2 to the power of the number of particles (avogardo?) chance that all the particles are in one half suffocating the ppl in the other half. He was such a great guy.
Re:Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users by throwaway2037 on Saturday August 05, 2023 @10:59AM (#37012665)
This is a good point. Did Kagi ever consider having a freemium tier that uses adverts to pay for the (search) content? I don't think it is a terrible idea if it helps Kagi to improve their paid search.
Re:Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users by version_five on Saturday August 05, 2023 @07:18AM (#37010923)
As long as they don't take outside investment that's not a certainly. People complain about the prices but it's charging the real cost that let's them be able to offer something good without mortgaging the future.

I concede that if they got big enough, someone would come with enough money that they couldn't refuse, and buy them to try and "unlock vale" by racing to the bottom.

Re:Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users by carlosjobim on Saturday August 05, 2023 @07:59AM (#37011162)
How nice then that you can use Kagi as it is right now, today. Then if your prediction comes true in the future you can stop using Kagi.
Re:Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users by Karunamon on Saturday August 05, 2023 @09:06AM (#37011635)
Capitalism is the only reason they exist in the first place.

Don't confuse an entire economic system with the unique problems caused by public ownership or investing (i.e. growth at all costs). Plenty of smaller organizations would be quite happy to operate with modest profits for their owners and never scale beyond that point.

Re:Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users by rchaud on Saturday August 05, 2023 @11:29AM (#37012985)
> Capitalism is the only reason they exist in the first place.

Precisely, which is why enshittification is a when, not an if. A paid search engine will never pick up enough users to survive at $10/mo. It will either be acquired or start throwing in "non-intrusive" ads to balance the books.

Re:Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users by freediver on Saturday August 05, 2023 @02:27PM (#37014987)
> start throwing in "non-intrusive" ads to balance the books

Here is a personal guarantee that this will never happen with Kagi while I am in charge.

There are too many ad-supported search engines and browsers out there. I would not waste 10 years of my life to make yet another one. If Kagi can not sustain iteself with memberships, it will be the end of it.

The initial reason I started Kagi was to provide my kids with an opportunity to grow up in an ad-free experience of the web. In this interview [1] I talk more about my motivation.

[1] https://dkb.io/post/DEPR_kagi-interview

Re:Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users by barrysteve on Saturday August 05, 2023 @08:00PM (#37017498)
You have broken your privacy policy to share user block lists as advertising on HackerNews.

Call us back in 6 months when you arbitrarily change something else and give us another motivating pep talk about your commitments. roll eyes.

Re:Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users by freediverx on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @09:27AM (#37048662)
How has this broken any privacy policy? To me this seems like general information that can’t possibly be traced back to any individual users or groups of users.
Re:Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users by freediverx on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @09:24AM (#37048616)
You’re conflating capitalism with commerce.