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Re:The Coming Enshittification of Public Libraries by everdrive on Friday August 04, 2023 @09:36AM (#36999834)
>How did mobile phones, a huge market with huge investment, avoid “enshittification”?

They didn’t. They spy on you more and more to extract more value from you after purchase. They have non-replaceable batteries and screens, which means you can’t service them easily. They are worse at being phones than plastic Nokias 20 years ago. Companies are incentivized to create apps which are trapped in the phone’s walled gardens rather than creating webpages which anyone can access. The list goes on.

Re:The Coming Enshittification of Public Libraries by TylerE on Friday August 04, 2023 @10:17AM (#37000413)
This is the sort of missing the forest trees people are talked by about.

People don’t care about replaceable batteries and voice calls. They want the magic also won’t pocket oracle to just work with a minimum of gaffing about.

You have to make reach people on what THEY care about, not preach to them about what they should care about. (And yes, I’m self-aware enough to see the inherent irony of this comment.)

Re:The Coming Enshittification of Public Libraries by Karunamon on Friday August 04, 2023 @10:32AM (#37000616)
Marketing and industry trends play a part in this. There is a big difference between "nobody cares about X at all" and "nobody cares about X enough, in isolation, to base their entire purchasing decision on it"

For instance, Apple tends to drive how mobile phones look and what external features they have even if their changes are objective steps backwards in functionality. People generally liked headphone jacks, but not enough to cut themselves off from flagship devices. There is no way to make an apples-to-apples comparison since usually there are never two devices whose literal only difference is the specific feature under discussion.

Re:The Coming Enshittification of Public Libraries by TylerE on Friday August 04, 2023 @11:00AM (#37000946)
The liked headphone jacks. Now they like IP68 and Bluetooth.
Re:The Coming Enshittification of Public Libraries by Karunamon on Saturday August 05, 2023 @09:08AM (#37011656)
These are not mutually exclusive.
Re:The Coming Enshittification of Public Libraries by thaumasiotes on Friday August 04, 2023 @10:53AM (#37000868)
> They want the magic also won’t pocket oracle to just work

What was this supposed to say?

Re:The Coming Enshittification of Public Libraries by crazygringo on Friday August 04, 2023 @10:43AM (#37000754)
Pretty sure my iPhone isn't spying on me so Apple can extract more value.

And the first-gen iPhone didn't have a replaceable battery or screen either.

As far as I can tell, iPhones have only gotten better. And ever since Apple introduced the SE, they've become more affordable as well.

It's way better at being a phone than an old Nokia as well -- the convenience and sound quality of wireless earbuds, using higher-quality audio and background noise removal, is really something.

Re:The Coming Enshittification of Public Libraries by flyinghamster on Friday August 04, 2023 @11:14AM (#37001158)
I sometimes use my Sony noise-cancelling headphones for calls, and the sound quality is amazing. BUT: Bluetooth lag makes music-making apps unworkable.
Re:The Coming Enshittification of Public Libraries by crazygringo on Friday August 04, 2023 @11:37AM (#37001481)
Well sure, that's what Lightning port adapters are for. Which allow you to connect both traditional analog devices as well as USB digital audio.
Re:The Coming Enshittification of Public Libraries by orbz on Friday August 04, 2023 @11:30AM (#37001378)
I miss the days where I could forget to charge my plastic nokia for 5 days, drop it out a 3rd story window onto concrete and have it run over by a car and there _might_ be a scratch on it while I T9'd out a message without looking. On the other hand I can wear a watch that could out-compete a desktop computer I had in the 90's.
Re:The Coming Enshittification of Public Libraries by ImPostingOnHN on Friday August 04, 2023 @02:27PM (#37003860)
You can get an original, working Nokia 3310 for tens of dollars