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Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by jplona on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:33PM (#36978723)
For those wondering, from the article it looks like he wasn't aware of the manual door release (https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_au/GUID-7A32EC0...).
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by kube-system on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:39PM (#36978781)
It's a Norman door. A great example of form over function. Good designs are intuitive, but unfortunately, what makes for good test-drive marketing (look at the cool push-button!) doesn't necessarily make for good design. Yes, the manual lever 'checks the box' for concerns about a dead battery, but it is an unnecessary compromise of human-centered design.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Design_of_Everyday_Things

Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by spiderice on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:42PM (#36978826)
The problem with the design isn’t the unintuitive handle. It’s the fact that said handle can damage the window if used. That is why it is an emergency-only handle. If anything, I wish the handle was less obvious so people wouldn’t accidentally use it. Even more ideally, I just with the handle didn’t have a somewhat decent chance of doing damage when used.
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by Vecr on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:44PM (#36978844)
How can it be less obvious and still be legal? In my opinion it should be red with orange stripes and say "emergency door open" on it. It already has gotten people killed by how non-obvious it is.
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by kube-system on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:48PM (#36978905)
The person in this article didn't not escape his car because he was concerned about window damage. He didn't escape because his vehicle's hidden door controls unwittingly trained him into not fully understanding how the door latch works.

The problem is the psychological consequences of the design trapped the person inside, regardless of the emergency latch's existence. Most people presume that their car doors have one latch, especially if they only ever see or use a single one.

Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by rootusrootus on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @09:41PM (#36980310)
> Even more ideally, I just with the handle didn’t have a somewhat decent chance of doing damage when used.

Agree 100%. Tesla cheaped out on the mechanical release. Other manufacturers don't have this problem, and solved it decades ago.

Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by 1letterunixname on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @10:45PM (#36980780)
The release could've been designed better by marking with an affordance, i.e., a symbol, that it opens the door AND it's only for emergencies.

Furthermore, they could've prevented its casual use when there is power by locking it with the force of a small electromagnet that fails open when power is lost OR with application of great force. A small solenoid and a piece of ferromagnetic metal might cost all of $0.10 USD more.

Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by kube-system on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @10:53PM (#36980819)
Even cheaper than a solenoid to prevent its use would be to simply write the software to drop the window when it is used, like other manufacturers with similar window designs have done with their mechanical door releases for decades... and like Tesla themselves does when you use the electronic button.
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by maxbond on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:40PM (#36978807)
I don't see how I would known that if i didn't happen to have read it, it doesn't seem to be marked at all and it's as inconspicuous as possible. Not a desirable property in a safety feature.

This is speculation, but it seems like if this 12V battery fails closed, you could easily have a situation where the door won't open and the cabin is filling with smoke.

Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by cobaltoxide on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:42PM (#36978829)
Agreed. I've rented a Tesla on two occasions (for one week each time) and was unaware of this manual release until now.
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by eep_social on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:37PM (#36978763)
Is it reasonable to expect the owner of a Tesla Model Y to read the Model 3 manual to learn about manual door overrides? Doesn’t seem reasonable to me.
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by KingMachiavelli on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:41PM (#36978820)
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by eep_social on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:46PM (#36978868)
I disagree. Let me quote from your link:

> Note: Not all Model Y vehicles are equipped with a manual release for the rear doors.

Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by maxbond on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @07:17PM (#36979216)
Iirc some of the vehicles in the Las Vegas tunnel are Model Ys. Hopefully they are the ones equipped with rear manual releases, because they're taking passengers in the back regularly and in the event of a fire the chips are already stacked against them.
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by nickthegreek on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @08:03PM (#36979578)
Would a renter be under the same obligation?
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by marcod on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:35PM (#36978742)
which is different on every Tesla model...
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by dymk on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:36PM (#36978755)
How many Teslas are people buying such that they forget which one they're in?
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by mplewis on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:38PM (#36978773)
It sounds like you're making excuses for the unintuitive interface.
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by nkrisc on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:41PM (#36978823)
Not everyone who is sitting in a Tesla is the owner of the Tesla.
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by actionfromafar on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @07:15PM (#36979187)
You will own nothing and be happy.
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by nkrisc on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @07:29PM (#36979327)
I meant a passenger.
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by kube-system on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:43PM (#36978834)
Door handles should be intuitive to all occupants regardless of whether they own the vehicle.
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by actionfromafar on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @07:14PM (#36979182)
Will someone think of the children?!
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by Veserv on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:46PM (#36978866)
In particular there is no manual door release for the backseat of a Model 3, and the Model Y manual door release is a cable hidden under a access door which is itself hidden under a mat in the rear door pocket [1] (assuming it has one, early model years do not).

A regular backseat passenger will never find the Model Y rear door manual release in the event of a crash without being shown exactly where it is. A regular backseat passenger in a Model 3 must either crawl into the front or break a window to escape.

I do believe the front door release is the same in all models though; which is a regular pull handle around where you would expect a normal door handle to be. Funnily enough, many people mistake it for the actual door release since the door UI is very unintuitive.

[1] https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-7A32EC0...

Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by actionfromafar on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @07:13PM (#36979176)
This is funny, it reads like safety thinking in cars in the 1950s.
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by outlace on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:48PM (#36978900)
Maybe if the battery is critically low on power it should show how to manually exit the vehicle on the screen for people who never read the manual.
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by bitterspeak on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @07:03PM (#36979055)
Maybe Tesla should have the drivetrain battery recharge the 12V enough to power the doors or just enough for the passengers to get out of the car.
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by actionfromafar on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @07:12PM (#36979166)
Or just a door that opens like doors should.
Re:Arizona driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after b... by cj on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @07:08PM (#36979124)
Maybe a digital/mechanical button combo would help.

Light press: door opens electronically.

Hard press: door opens mechanically.