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Re:Earth Overshoot Day by grotorea on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @12:25PM (#36973085)
But is China opening those coal stations to power factories that export things to the developed world or to power internal demand? Should the pollution of a product get counted in the producing or the consuming country?
Re:Earth Overshoot Day by IMTDb on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @12:39PM (#36973269)
Consuming. Always. Assign the "blame" however you want but the only person who can stop polluting is the person actually asking for the polluting to be done.

"I turn a blind eye to the consequences of my needs/desires" has never been a valid justification for anything.

Re:Earth Overshoot Day by carlitossway on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @12:45PM (#36973365)
wish you'd have expressed this better. Your argument is sound but your sarcasm gave a pretext to those not wanting to hear. Now you are dismissed out of hand on shallow grounds.
Re:Earth Overshoot Day by IMTDb on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @01:32PM (#36974063)
I actually don't have strong arguments in favour of what I wrote. My personal point is that it's a complex subject. And you should not deal absolute in such complex subjects.

Having two completely different point of view expressed almost exactly the same ways brings balance to the discussion and leaves the reader with the decision of who is "right" or "wrong". And hopefully will answer "neither". Which is the ultimate goal.

Re:Earth Overshoot Day by Spivak on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @12:30PM (#36973152)
Producing. Always. Assign the "blame" however you want but the only person who can stop polluting is the person actually doing the polluting.

"Look what you made me do" has never been a valid justification for anything.

Re:Earth Overshoot Day by JamesBarney on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @03:17PM (#36975720)
If you look at consumption vs production co2 emissions statistics they're pretty close. Manufacturing isn't a huge portion of emissions, and we export a lot of goods to China as well.