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Re:Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal by ChatGTP on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @09:04AM (#36955429)
Curious why you needed to inject the violent overtones in your comment, "curb stomped?

We're building tools to help us augment our intelligence, I don't see anyone getting "curb stomped"?

If intelligence leads to more violence, then I don't think it will be as useful as we'd have hoped.

Re:Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal by Plyphon_ on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @09:16AM (#36955553)
It's just a turn of phrase that means you got 100% beaten without challenge.
Re:Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal by amoss on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @09:39AM (#36955805)
It would be more accurate to say that some people use it as a simple turn of phrase without considering what it means. Language is made mostly of metaphor and analogy. Explaining something by comparison to something that is already understood is a technique that seems to fit our model of thought.

Over time the original meaning may fade or be forgotten, and the residual symbol in the language becomes the thing itself. Etymology is full of examples.

But that much history has not yet passed since the introduction of the term "curbstomping" and so using it is still a choice that conveys some meta-meaning about content and style.

As mentioned further up in the thread it is unnecessarily violent for conveying the meaning in the comment.

Re:Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal by goatlover on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @01:33PM (#36959367)
Curb-stomping is used in many sorts of competitions to denote being beaten badly. Also they got their ass beat, whipped-up on, wrecked, etc.

No reason to make it an issue, people just like using those metaphors.

Re:Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal by ChatGTP on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @10:41PM (#36966340)
Nice mate, hope you get curb stomped sometime...don't take it personally.
Re:Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal by jjoonathan on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @09:26AM (#36955655)
No, no it isn't. It's a very particular violent act designed to maximize ongoing physical pain and social disadvantage in the victim. Sort of like throwing sulfuric acid at someone's face.
Re:Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal by nyolfen on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @10:29AM (#36956374)
wait until you hear such idioms as "punched in the gut", "made a killing", etc.
Re:Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal by ChatGTP on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @10:39AM (#36956509)
Punched in the gut vs curb stomped...hmmm
Re:Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal by thefurdrake on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @01:04PM (#36958854)
vs made a killing, hmmm...
Re:Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal by goatlover on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @01:38PM (#36959457)
Michael Jordan was a stone-cold killer on the court.
Re:Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal by johnnyworker on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @01:23PM (#36959183)
Don't stop with merely hearing them; think about them.

> [Hobbes] even, through sheer force of imagination, was able to outline the main psychological traits of the new type of man who would fit into such a society and its tyrannical body politic. He foresaw the necessary idolatry of power itself by this new human type, that he would be flattered at being called a power-thirsty animal, although actually society would force him to surrender all his natural forces, his virtues and his vices, and would make him the poor meek little fellow who has not even the right to rise against tyranny, and who, far from striving for power, submits to any existing government and does not stir even when his best friend falls an innocent victim to an incomprehensible raison d'etat.

-- Hannah Arendt

Re:Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal by goatlover on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @01:37PM (#36959437)
Policing language sounds a bit Orwellian (insert doublespeak quote). People like to use various metaphors. It doesn't mean they literally want to curb stomp a competitor.
Re:Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal by johnnyworker on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:59PM (#36962804)
> Policing language sounds a bit Orwellian (insert doublespeak quote).

And that only applies to criticizing phrases like "killing it", without even demanding it to not be used -- but not to bringing out Nineteen-Eightyfour? And doublespeak? No, doublethink means holding two contradictory things to be true at the same time, doublespeak is the verbalization of that. You're thinking of wrongthink, and either way you are doing what you criticize. Instead of saying "this is horrible" you say "this is dystopian", it changes nothing.

More importantly, your reply contains nothing specifically applying to my comment. Maybe you missed the point, which is that people delude themselves to compensate their lack of agency, being restricted to partake in a rat race that will leave them empty-handed in the end -- all of which Hannah Arendt explains in the context, but I didn't want to post a wall of text. That they don't actually mean what they say, because what they mean (and do) would be to pitiful to say without such flourish, and that they aren't actually violent and powerful, but "poor meek little fellows", is precisely the point.

Re:Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal by arrowsmith on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @10:40AM (#36956525)
I bet you're fun at parties.
Re:Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal by ChatGTP on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @10:38AM (#36956502)
Is it, imagine saying this to your kids, "Hey Sam, your sister totally curb stomped you at practice today..."??
Re:Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal by twixfel on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @12:09PM (#36957954)
It's not clear to me that we need to talk to each other like we're talking to our own children. That would be odd.
Re:Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal by 542354234235 on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @09:21AM (#36955606)
> brute human force

> beat Kasparov

So much violence everywhere

Re:Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal by ChatGTP on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @09:54AM (#36955985)
Do you think you're cool?