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Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by jakeinspace on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @12:41AM (#36952407)
Sorry, but how does one create a transistor from a superconductor? Maybe I’m missing something here.
Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by floxy on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @12:57AM (#36952492)
Most superconducting logic families aren't using transistors at all. They use Josephson junctions, which are just two pieces of superconductor separated by a non-supercondutor. RSFQ (Rapid Single Flux Quantum) uses millivolt-high picosecond-long pulses to represent logic 1 and their absence as logic zero, instead of using voltage level as in CMOS.

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/783712 (770 GHz toggle flip-flop in 1999)

https://www.physics.sunysb.edu/Physics/RSFQ/Projects/WhatIs/...

Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by Culonavirus on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @01:42AM (#36952746)
Sooo, a 770 GHz processor? Do I understand it correctly? Jesus.
Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by yetihehe on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @02:14AM (#36952900)
If using that flip-flop, whole processor will be closer to 100ghz (typically there are multiple transistors which need to stabilise before you have a result of computation). But probably those superconductors could enable even faster transistors and maybe we could get 1THz processors.
Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by aitchnyu on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @02:26AM (#36952978)
Like IDE ribbon cables gave way to sleek SATA cables, we could have another parallel to serial transition from silicon multicore crap to superconducting single core.
Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by jacquesm on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @02:34AM (#36953032)
No, you'll get superconducting multicore because all that will happen is that the bloat will expand to consume the new cycle budget. This has already happened many times.
Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by dtx1 on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @06:35AM (#36954436)
I'm looking forward to Chromium version 4201337 needing 20% of my 1Thz CPU to render simple text.
Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by regularfry on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @05:58AM (#36954229)
We'll get superconducting multicore because as a first step everyone will just map what they already know to the new space. Which is fun.
Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by MayeulC on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @07:25AM (#36954711)
I suspect you'd still need very low temperatures to make this work, even with a high temperature superconductor: low temperatures reduce thermal noise, which may be an issue at such time scales (unless you pump a lot of energy per bit, which means high voltages (limits scaling) or current/capacitances (also limits scaling).
Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by jakeinspace on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @08:12AM (#36954999)
Are you aware of any obvious issues with manufacturing Josephson junctions using photolithography? Like, would switching to an LK-99 or similar set us back to the 70s in terms of wafer density/size?
Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by floxy on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @10:16AM (#36956224)
You might be interested is this video, which talks about the EDA issues for RSFQ logic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O6GpFCIxv0

...and...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephson_junction_count

Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by bpye on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @12:47AM (#36952436)
I don’t think we’d necessarily have to use it for transistors, but could use it in place of the metal interconnect that is significant in terms of resistive loss.
Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by peyton on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @12:49AM (#36952446)
I think Josephson junctions. Also maybe you could eliminate copper loss by using LK-99 interconnect layers.
Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by rezonant on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @02:08AM (#36952872)
Well you can apparently make diodes with them: https://scitechdaily.com/mit-develops-superconducting-device...