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Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by ben_w on Sunday July 30, 2023 @04:43AM (#36929183)
That makes me wonder (as someone who has merely heard of the two technologies and knows nothing much about either beyond the Wikipedia page) why it's not using a free electron laser?

Aren't those tuneable to any wavelength down to X-rays?

Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by namibj on Sunday July 30, 2023 @06:09AM (#36929627)
Global foundries banked on that, and a Japanese laboratory is building/running a demonstrator.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by amelius on Sunday July 30, 2023 @07:36AM (#36930119)
Isn't that similar to synchrotron x-rays? I just watched a video where they say that that's what people started with before they got to the tin plasma method.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by kleton on Sunday July 30, 2023 @07:55AM (#36930250)
It is somewhat likely that effective free electron laser is locked up behind the invention secrecy act of 1951 as a critical DOD tech.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by LargoLasskhyfv on Sunday July 30, 2023 @02:58PM (#36934699)
Is it? And what is "effective? Tabletop? Deskside? Or this: https://www.xfel.eu/ ?
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by ben_w on Sunday July 30, 2023 @03:30PM (#36935024)
XFEL is

> Wavelength 0.05 to 4.7 nanometres

- https://www.xfel.eu/facility/overview/facts_amp_figures/inde...

which is sufficient and possibly excessive.

Not that I know anything about any of the other considerations in such things. Is 3.4 km "too big"? Is €1.22 bn "too expensive"?

Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by amluto on Sunday July 30, 2023 @09:51AM (#36931150)
Here’s a paper on some research in this direction:

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.35848/1347-4065/acc18c

Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by civilitty on Sunday July 30, 2023 @09:54AM (#36931170)
That's called electron-beam lithography:

> This form of maskless lithography has high resolution but low throughput, limiting its usage to photomask fabrication, low-volume production of semiconductor devices, and research and development. [1]

The beam has to scan across the entire wafer instead of exposing it all at once, so it's extremely slow and uneconomical for mass production.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron-beam_lithography

Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by ben_w on Sunday July 30, 2023 @10:34AM (#36931534)
I'm fairly sure they're two different things: e-beam (as per your link) does the reaction with the electrons themselves, whereas FEL uses an electron beam as a lasing medium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-electron_laser

Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by XorNot on Sunday July 30, 2023 @10:20AM (#36931392)
It's worth noting that necessity has tendency to make this possible though: the original CD laser diodes required extreme equipment investment to mass produce.

You could conceive of making the speed up in parallel production.

Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by LargoLasskhyfv on Sunday July 30, 2023 @03:01PM (#36934718)
Or use an 8x8 array of them and have 64bits...err...beams at the same time.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by ben_w on Sunday July 30, 2023 @05:38PM (#36936266)
IIRC you can't usefully do that, because the limit is from the combined electric field of the electrons in the beam(s) causing blurriness — more beams at fixed current per beam means more blur.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by LargoLasskhyfv on Monday July 31, 2023 @09:28AM (#36942167)
Treat it like a phased array, with hypermegamodulation by realtime machine learning artificial fuzzy logic, canceling out any blurriness in advance, producing the finest and sharpest turbonanoscalpels, able to etch any sketch, fast. Built to last!

F... yeah!