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Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by npteljes on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:32PM (#36925447)
People worship all kinds of characters, not just the morally good ones. Morality itself is debatable, and then many just like powerful people who seem to be winning at life, no matter the cost.
Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by paulryanrogers on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:39PM (#36925525)
By some narrow definitions of winning.

At least scouting taught me to leave a place better than I found it. (Not that I always succeed, but it's worth trying to keep doing better.)

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by FollowingTheDao on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:38PM (#36925510)
Morality is not debatable. Only immoral people say that morality is debatable.
Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by slashdev on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:43PM (#36925569)
Morality is not universal. Different people have different values and this different morals. There are some things most would agree on (murder=bad) but others that are up for debate.

If aliens exist, their values and morals would likely be very alien to us.

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by FollowingTheDao on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:49PM (#36925616)
If you find the universal truth, you’ll find the universal morality. Just because people don’t share a superficial morality does not mean that there is not a deeper universal one.
Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by npteljes on Saturday July 29, 2023 @07:12PM (#36925807)
>If you find the universal truth, you’ll find the universal morality

I happen to agree with this one. But there is no universal truth either. So if you combine this, you get that universal morality doesn't exist either.

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by vasco on Saturday July 29, 2023 @07:23PM (#36925888)
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Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by MrYellowP on Saturday July 29, 2023 @07:11PM (#36925794)
Universal morality exists. It's called empathy.

Morals are being decided and dictated by those who can get most people to agree on something being moral. It's a purely man-made thing that only distracts from what everyone's born with: Actual empathy.

Morals are for people who need moral guidelines, because they lack the sense that enables them to feel what another person feels.

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by npteljes on Saturday July 29, 2023 @07:20PM (#36925872)
Morals are for every people, as we're not born with empathy. Children lack empathy, which they only develop as they get older.

Shared morals are among the top features of every culture. It's not something that's dictated, many try, but don't be fooled. And it's not a distraction either. People have a varying amount of empathy, emotional energy to operate empathy, and a different emotional intelligence and experience. So even if someone doesn't have the capacity to process a situation and act with complete empathy (the existence of which is debatable), they can still manage it well with morality "mechanically". In fact it's one of the ways to train yourself to feel actual empathy.

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by npteljes on Saturday July 29, 2023 @07:11PM (#36925787)
Morality is not just debatable, it's not universal. Look at how many different cultures there are - many of them have very different ideas about what's moral and what isn't. Even what gets categorized as morally judgeable is different, just like how different languages are in their concepts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by WarOnPrivacy on Saturday July 29, 2023 @07:18PM (#36925852)
> Morality is not debatable.

That would make it pretty tough to define. Perhaps that is the point.