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Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by SeanAnderson on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:32PM (#36925441)
ice cream isn't a net positive for society? :(
Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by objektif on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:38PM (#36925511)
Not really. Coke has a lot of caffeine which makes it a lot more addictive.
Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by myshpa on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:46PM (#36925590)
And salt to make you consume more, and acids to destroy your teeth, and sugar for health problems or artificial sweeteners to damage your dna, and microplastics ...
Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by gruez on Saturday July 29, 2023 @07:08PM (#36925760)
>And salt to make you consume more

Milk literally has more sodium.

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by myshpa on Saturday July 29, 2023 @07:38PM (#36925996)
And microplastics too, and sugars, and puss, and blood, pesticides, estrogens ... and?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by gruez on Saturday July 29, 2023 @08:24PM (#36926353)
If a natural product that isn't obviously salty has 3x the sodium, then it's probably not worth worrying about. Besides, it's 3% of DV for a 20oz bottle. You'd have to drink a hilariously high amount for the negative effects of salt to kick in.
Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by myshpa on Saturday July 29, 2023 @08:48PM (#36926506)
But i'm not talking about health effects of salt in Coca Cola ... I'm questioning the reason why it's included at all.

As you said ... it's not much, you won't even notice it. So the reason it's there is to increase consumption (to keep you thirsty and to tolerate more sugar) and addiction.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/soda-addiction

Because soda contains several potentially habit-forming substances like caffeine, sodium, and sugar or artificial sweeteners, it’s easier to become dependent on soda than you might think

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by gruez on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:12PM (#36926656)
>I'm questioning the reason why it's included at all.

Because it makes the final product taste better. You can reframe that to mean something nefarious (ie. "it's there is to increase [...] addiction"), but fundamentally it's not any different than you adding salt when you're cooking.

>it's not much, you won't even notice it

>Because soda contains several potentially habit-forming substances like [...] sodium

Let me get this straight. You're claiming that "you won't even notice it" yet it's also "habit-forming"? What's the mechanism by which drinking 0.2g of salt per 20oz bottle gets you addicted?

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by myshpa on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:34PM (#36926811)
The link I've posted has links to sources for their claim (there are more):

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24829986/

A Classic Innate Behavior, Sodium Appetite, Is Driven by Hypothalamic Gene-Regulatory Programs Previously Linked to Addiction and Reward

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29673924/

Food additives, food and the concept of 'food addiction': Is stimulation of the brain reward circuit by food sufficient to trigger addiction?

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by gruez on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:45PM (#36926892)
> The link I've posted has links to sources for their claim (there are more):

I don't doubt that salty foods in general are delicious and make people want to eat more. I'm doubting whether the effect applies specifically for coke, which only has 0.2g it per 20oz bottle. What you're doing is like looking at a car crash and concluding that it's caused by alcohol because the driver ate some bread[1] before driving.

[1] https://www.scienceabc.com/pure-sciences/does-your-bread-con...

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by myshpa on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:05PM (#36927039)
> I'm doubting whether the effect applies specifically for coke

I'm not pretending I'm the expert.

> What you're doing

I'm cited the source.

> it's caused by alcohol because the driver ate some bread

Don't tell our politicians ... we have 0% limit.

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by gruez on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:14PM (#36927109)
>I'm cited the source.

A source that fails to list what the dosage is, and I highly suspect isn't in the range of 0.2g/20oz.

>Don't tell our politicians ... we have 0% limit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_alcohol_content#0%

>It is illegal to have any measurable alcohol in the blood while driving in these countries. Most jurisdictions have a tolerance slightly higher than zero to account for false positives and naturally occurring alcohol in the body.

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by objektif on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:35PM (#36926823)
Hold on you think Cola company is not doing nefarious stuff? This feels like late stage capitalism. Why do you feel this much of a need to defend a corporation? I am as much of a capitalist as it gets but come on.

https://laborrights.org/in-the-news/2005-list-14-worst-corpo...

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by gruez on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:47PM (#36926908)
>Hold on you think Cola company is not doing nefarious stuff?

Not any more than the bakery down the street is "doing nefarious stuff" by adding salt to their bread.

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by ImPostingOnHN on Saturday July 29, 2023 @08:18PM (#36926304)
yep, that's why they put the acids in, to destroy your teeth
Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by gruez on Saturday July 29, 2023 @08:25PM (#36926357)
And not because... it tastes good? What does coca-cola and pepsico have to gain from destroying people's teeth?
Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by myshpa on Saturday July 29, 2023 @08:56PM (#36926551)
It's not important why ... just that it does.

Coca Cola (etc.) has 2.37-3.10pH, and the acidity is from phosphoric acid.

https://www.foodchamps.org/is-coca-cola-acidic/

"Due to their high sugar and acid content, over-consumption of these drinks is bad for your health and can aggravate symptoms of acid reflux."

"It can also cause bones and tooth enamel to erode, creating the perfect conditions for the development of cavities."

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by ImPostingOnHN on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:37AM (#36928182)
I mean, yeah, you're right, I was being sarcastic

Obviously they don't put it in to destroy your teeth, and despite what the other replier said, it _does_ matter why, which is _why_ they went through the effort of wrongly attributing why it's done

p.s., phosphoric acid is delicious, that's why people like products with it in it. Back in the days of soda fountains, they'd add it in! Now it's mixed into cocktails, sometimes with various other acids (citric, tartaric, etc)

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by varjag on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:57PM (#36925671)
Coke has caffeine content matching that of tea.
Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by Supermancho on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:39PM (#36926848)
https://www.caffeineinformer.com/the-caffeine-database

Often, tea has far more. eg Coke Classic 2.8 to Black Tea 5.2

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by objektif on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:45PM (#36926895)
So? Tea is also addictive.
Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by myshpa on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:44PM (#36925571)
Not when it's made from dairy, and while animal agriculture is one of the most environmentaly damaging industries on Earth, worsening 5 of 7 symptoms of an ecological overshoot.

Make it from plants and it's another story, but until then ...

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by konfusinomicon on Saturday July 29, 2023 @07:30PM (#36925938)
also note that it's one if the most delicious businesses on earth and converts otherwise inedible biomass into human food. would the industry that would take its place if it didn't exist be just as polluting to provide all those calories? it may...also no dairy, no pizza. and who would want to live in a reality without pizza?!
Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by myshpa on Saturday July 29, 2023 @07:46PM (#36926075)
> the most delicious businesses on earth

Ben & Jerry makes very tasty vegan ice cream, for example. Cow milk is not a necessity for ice cream, same way as dog milk, rat milk, giraffe milk, hippo milk, or cat milk isn't.

What you appreciate is fat content, not some magical taste ingredient from milk. So you could your ice cream from coconut milk or soya milk or hemp milk or almond milk and it would taste good too.

> converts otherwise inedible biomass into human food

It's also a leading driver of deforestation, one of the biggest polluters (greenhouse gases & eutrophication), responsible for soil erosion and collapsing biodiversity, etc. etc.

We could afforest and rewild those pastures and store entire 1.5C carbon budget in those forests (thus stopping climate change and biodiversity loss).

> would the industry that would take its place if it didn't exist be just as polluting to provide all those calories

Not at all. https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets

> no dairy, no pizza. and who would want to live in a reality without pizza

Pizza base is vegan. Do you know vegans have cheese, and for some (carnists and vegetarians) it tastes even better than the "real thing"?

And as bonus it's sustainable and not destroying the earth for our descendants.

Re:Big Tobacco knew radioactive Po210 in cigarettes posed ca... by booleandilemma on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:52PM (#36925635)
I wouldn't let randos on the internet moralize your diet though.

There are lots of sad people out there that will criticize people for all sorts of things.

If ice cream brings you happiness, eat ice cream :)