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Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by pclmulqdq on Saturday July 29, 2023 @03:35PM (#36923722)
I don't think you've been to NYC in the last 5 years or so if you think that bikers aren't routinely failing to yield to pedestrians. The worst and most dangerous culprits are the people whizzing around on e-bikes with a complete disregard for pedestrian safety or traffic laws.

The drivers in NYC are comparatively safe. They drive relatively slowly (compared to other parts of the country), pay attention to pedestrians, and obey traffic lights and signs.

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by whimsicalism on Saturday July 29, 2023 @03:39PM (#36923757)
Even per capita of bike riding vs. car riding, the deaths from drivers are disproportionate.

> bikers aren't routinely failing to yield to pedestrians

I didn't say that, I think it is true. That said, I also think pedestrians sometimes have an expectation that a biker would yield in a place where they wouldn't even try with a car (ie. crossing the road between two vehicles into the bike lane).

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by pclmulqdq on Saturday July 29, 2023 @03:50PM (#36923872)
> Failing to yield to pedestrians where?

This is what you said, and what I am responding to.

Also, I would suggest that deaths from drivers are probably only higher because the probability of a collision being fatal is a lot higher when one party in the collision is 2 tons, and that the fatality rate is not a good proxy for the rate of total accidents (even the rate of total accidents where someone ends up in a hospital). I have not seen a credible measurement for that, but I would expect from what I have seen in my 6 years living in Manhattan is that the accident rate with bikes is a lot higher than it is with cars, and that so is the rate of injuries. As a pedestrian, my chance of getting killed in a traffic accident are so astronomically low that I actually care a lot more about my probability of being injured than my probability of being killed.

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by ClumsyPilot on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:50PM (#36926923)
> my chance of getting killed in a traffic accident are so astronomically low

Are they really? You have a higher chance of being killed by a car while you are inside a building, than you are of being killed by a cyclist.

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by pclmulqdq on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:16PM (#36927115)
Yes, they are. A city of 8 million had ~200 fatalities last year.

Also, I'm not concerned about getting killed by a cyclist. I'm concerned about getting hit by one. Those are not the same thing.

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by esoterica on Sunday July 30, 2023 @02:21AM (#36928413)
NYC averages less than 1 pedestrian killed by bikes every year.

https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/nycdot-pedestrian...

There are ~300 pedestrian injuries caused by bikes every year vs 10,000 caused by cars.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/nyregion/elderly-pedestri...

Your feelings about bikes are in direct contradiction with the data.

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by pclmulqdq on Sunday July 30, 2023 @07:52AM (#36930228)
One more time: The number of people killed by each does not matter to me.

What matters is the chance of getting hit at all. I still have not seen a credible study about causes of accidents involving an injured pedestrian.

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by ClumsyPilot on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:13PM (#36932746)
One more time; we have really good records of car-caused injuries, because cars injure a lot of people. Your extraordinary claim, that bicycles injure even more people, but we don’t have records for some reason, needs evidence.
Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by esoterica on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:33PM (#36932964)
Did you read the comment you replied to? I will say it again: there were 300 pedestrian injuries caused by bikes and 10,000 caused by cars in NYC in 2017. Click on the link.
Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by pclmulqdq on Sunday July 30, 2023 @04:23PM (#36935552)
I did read it. To spell it out for you: Looking at the official records (which the NYT did - I did read the thing you cited) will severely underreport bike-pedestrian collisions and the resulting injuries because almost all of them are not handled through official accident reporting channels, so they don't get counted.

Like I said again, I have yet to see a credible study counting non-fatal injuries from bikes in the city. Someone could do this, for example, by randomly sampling ER patients to see how many were involved in bicycle-pedestrian crashes, but nobody has.

Also, that NYT article is almost a pro-bike op-ed in its tone, and I would suggest finding sources that at least sound a little more neutral on your issues of choice.

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by jghn on Saturday July 29, 2023 @03:53PM (#36923903)
I expect people to yield when I have the right of way. Regardless of their mode of transport.