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Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by mlinhares on Friday July 28, 2023 @11:25PM (#36916551)
People just like to think they're special "thinking out of the box" rebels because they use android when the equivalent android phone costs the same as an iphone. There's very little price difference between the models for the main brands (you can off course find cheaper alternatives with their own issues) but if you get an iphone and a samsung side by side odds are they're at the same price range.

And as a professional developer that uses a mac (that is by far the best bang for the buck if you're not into gaming) it just makes sense to pick an iphone instead of an android due to the ecosystem value. I doubt many people in developed countries care that much about the fact that you use an apple device or not, that's the kind of shit you'd expect from developing nations like Brazil (where I'm from), where they do remain a status symbol mostly because the population in general is still pretty poor.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by behringer on Saturday July 29, 2023 @12:19AM (#36916860)
There's nothing bang for your buck about apple laptops. I can get a pc laptop for half the price and arguably better quality.

It is true about phones though, especially when you consider how badly all the big brands except apple and Google add unremovable money making spam apps to their phones.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by wredue on Saturday July 29, 2023 @12:28AM (#36916922)
Surface laptops are priced pretty well on par with apple for a worse screen, quality, and battery life.

Literally no other laptop provides a competitive battery life, screen or build even compared to the surface. I literally just bought a new laptop 3 months ago, and almost zero windows laptops were reasonably competitive with the MacBook for a dev.

Could just be because I have a powerful gaming PC, but I definitely found that windows laptops did not meet up to a decent standard.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by goosedragons on Saturday July 29, 2023 @05:30AM (#36918451)
There's loads of nice "build" (just admit you want metal please) Windows laptops with nice screens. Asus ZenBook line for example. Can even get OLED.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by Spooky23 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @08:22AM (#36919566)
Not at the same price-point at quantity 1.

If you as a consumer buy a nice HP Spectre, it will be more than an equivalent MacBook barring a sale or clearance. I buy 10,000 at a time, and get about 30% off.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by goosedragons on Saturday July 29, 2023 @07:21PM (#36925875)
https://www.microcenter.com/product/666870/asus-zenbook-15-o...

A 15" MBA with the max 24GB RAM and a 1TB drive would cost $2100. Note the Zenbook is not on sale, has a 120Hz HiDPI OLED display and aluminum chassis.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by saagarjha on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:44AM (#36918870)
Which PC laptop is half the price of, say, a MacBook Air and has better or even similar performance, battery life, input devices…? Keep in mind that you're talking about a $500-$600 price point here.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by behringer on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:07AM (#36919927)
Really? I guess I'm out of touch.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by yellowapple on Saturday July 29, 2023 @11:13AM (#36921046)
I don't know if you meant to imply that a Macbook Air starts at $500-600, but if you did then you'd be incorrect based on https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/.

In any case, I think the switch from Intel to ARM makes any such comparisons meaningless until we start seeing more ARM-based laptops in the same niche.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by extra88 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @12:20PM (#36921733)
They meant if the person was right, the PC would have to cost $500-600. A PC laptop being in that price range and equal or better than a MacBook Air is a fantasy.

ARM and Intel laptops are directly comparable because you can compare what people can do them.

Not all ARM processors are created equal, Apple's are superior in iPhones and laptops, there's no reason to expect that to change in the near future.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by yellowapple on Saturday July 29, 2023 @02:34PM (#36923116)
> Not all ARM processors are created equal

Hence the words "in the same niche" in the comment to which you replied.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by extra88 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @02:50PM (#36923264)
I don't know what niche you're referring to. Apple Silicon are the sole occupants of a "niche," delivering high performance with excellent processing per Watt. When shopping for a laptop, there's nothing unfair about comparing ones with different processor architectures when they all can run the software needed.

Plenty of people don't care about how long you can run off the battery or processing per Watt in general, just performance. For those people, there are x86 laptops that can outperform Apple's ARM-based laptops (not to mention having discrete GPI options).

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by mlinhares on Saturday July 29, 2023 @03:40PM (#36923775)
What are these x86 laptops that are the same size and price range of an Air or MBP that outperform the M2s in processing power that doesn't involve GPU?

Almost all the benchmarks out there of similarly sized laptops have the M2s (and previously had the M1s) topping the charts in single and multi threaded workloads.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by yellowapple on Saturday July 29, 2023 @03:48PM (#36923862)
"that doesn't involve GPU" is a bit of an arbitrary restriction. GPU performance is performance, is it not?
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by extra88 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @05:35PM (#36924906)
Only when you're using software that can use it. Multicore processing also doesn't matter when you are doing tasks that can't be spread across cores.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by mlinhares on Saturday July 29, 2023 @05:51PM (#36925054)
It isn’t, I work as a developer and most developers have no use for a GPU unless you’re doing machine learning or gaming. For this case Macs are really hard to beat, especially given the UNIX like environment.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by yellowapple on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:43PM (#36925570)
> It isn’t, I work as a developer and most developers have no use for a GPU unless you’re doing machine learning or gaming.

Okay, well

1. Not every Macbook user is a developer

2. Not every developer has no use for a GPU

If we're going to make comparisons about performance requirements for a specific subset of a specific subset of users, then let's be explicit about that. Otherwise, arbitrarily ignoring a rather substantial contributor to overall performance is indeed arbitrary.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by extra88 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @05:33PM (#36924890)
It looks like the Razer Blade 16, with a i9-13950HX can beat the fastest MacBook Pro and is cheaper than that model.

I didn't mention size and don't know how they compare. Size comparisons are largely related to processing per Watt because others need bigger heat pipes and fans than the Macs.

I'm basically an Apple guy and don't pay tons of attention to all the alternatives, I just recognize the Apple products are not the right choice for everyone.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by mlinhares on Sunday July 30, 2023 @07:39AM (#36930141)
Doesn’t look like it is cheaper or faster: https://appleinsider.com/inside/16-inch-macbook-pro/vs/razer...

Definitely wins on GPU though.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by extra88 on Sunday July 30, 2023 @11:45AM (#36932422)
That article's Geekbench single core score for the Mac is substantially worse than what's on the chart while their multi-core score is somewhat better [0]. I don't know what the averages are for the Razer Blade 16, some scores are higher than the M2 Max (especially multi-core), some are lower [1].

That article also compares models with more expensive add-ons, a lot of that higher Razer price is probably from the 4090. The Blade 16 price starts at $2,699 (i9-13950HX, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, GeForce RTX 4060, 16" 240Hz QHD+). For an MBP with an M2 Max, the 14-inch starts at $3,099 and the 16-inch at $3,499. Those Macs have 32GB RAM and Razer charges +$600 for that much but the Blade has RAM slots, you can buy another 16GB for ~$50. Razer also charges a lot for an upgraded SSD (and absurd +$1,600 for 2TB instead of 1TB) but that is also replaceable at a much more affordable price. There's also a second M2 slot available so you can add storage without replacing the original drive.

Edit: the SSD upgrade cost is so high because they make you get other upgrades with it (a 4090 and 32GB RAM).

[0] https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks

[1] https://browser.geekbench.com/search?utf8=&q=Razer+Blade+16+...

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by yellowapple on Saturday July 29, 2023 @03:46PM (#36923830)
> I don't know what niche you're referring to. Apple Silicon are the sole occupants of a "niche," delivering high performance with excellent processing per Watt.

You clearly do know what niche I'm referring to, since you just described it. Like you say: Apple's laptops are the sole occupants of their niche, so what would you even compare against? I'm sure there are other ARM chips out there with comparable or better "performance" per Watt, but Apple Silicon's pretty unique right now in maximizing the "performance" half of that equation instead of minimizing the "per Watt" half.

> When shopping for a laptop, there's nothing unfair about comparing ones with different processor architectures when they all can run the software needed.

I never said it was "unfair". I said it was meaningless - because it is. There are myriad metrics by which one could evaluate "performance" (per Watt or otherwise), and Apple Silicon doesn't necessarily win at all of them.

When other manufacturers start putting out ARM laptops targeting the same (or at least remotely similar) performance metrics as a Macbook targets, then there'd be a worthwhile discussion to be had.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by Spooky23 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @08:20AM (#36919549)
Only if you don’t care about screen, battery life or user interface.

Caveat. If windows matters, or you’re talking about the generation of defective MacBooks with a bad keyboard, I’d concede that a top of the line HP, Dell or Lenovo is a better choice.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by mattl on Sunday July 30, 2023 @09:51PM (#36937994)
Please share a link to any laptop that’s even close to performance/battery of the base level MacBook Air in a similar form factor.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by adave on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:52AM (#36941841)
You are out of touch, M1/M2 runs circles around any other silicon and the pro line has great design and usage for convenience built in. The solid resale price is the proof as no windows device is worth anything used.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by thunky on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:03AM (#36919894)
> it just makes sense to pick an iphone instead of an android due to the ecosystem value

Honest question: what ecosystem are you referring to? Apple watch? Additional hardware you bought? Or are you talking about software?

Because my guess would have been that Apple users are typically embedded in Google's ecosystem as well (Chrome, Maps, Gmail, YouTube, etc).

And it's not clear to me how using a MacBook would influence your phone choice.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by ericmay on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:23AM (#36920060)
> And it's not clear to me how using a MacBook would influence your phone choice.

The same reason you use Chrome and then also Google Maps and Gmail. Just swap a Mac with Chrome and an iPhone with Gmail.

There are lots of little features like being able to copy on my iPhone and then it’s saved into a shared clipboard so that I can paste into my Mac. Those kinds of things (there are many, many others and you can look them up for yourself) are why someone would be influenced to choose an iPhone if they are using a Mac.

As an aside I think most users across all platforms use Google’s ecosystem but I would expect Apple users to use it less than others since Apple provides good enough alternatives such as Safari, Apple Maps, iCloud, etc.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by thunky on Saturday July 29, 2023 @01:48PM (#36922691)
> As an aside I think most users across all platforms use Google’s ecosystem

Yeah this is what I was thinking. Apple users will tend to use two ecosystems instead of one.

Personally, I wouldn't even think about my laptop when choosing a phone. But I would think about the fact that I use several Google services and I'd rather not duplicate them with Mac accounts/apps.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by kalleboo on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:55AM (#36920887)
Someone else mentioned the clipboard sync (which is amazingly handy), but it goes so far as to the iPhone camera showing up across the macOS as both a document scanner as well as a webcam (which blows the pants off of any USB webcam on the market), and things like being able to cast your screen from your iPhone to a Mac's display.

Now I'm sure all of these things are possible on other platforms using extra software but in the ecosystem it's all zero setup, instantly integrated and quite reliable.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by cultofmetatron on Saturday July 29, 2023 @03:15PM (#36923489)
> I doubt many people in developed countries care that much about the fact that you use an apple device or not

Girls absolutely covet iphones like sacred cows. some go as far as to not date guys who use android. its weird but I've seen it myself.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by TheHappyOddish on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:09AM (#36927724)
From my world experience, this is a pure Americanism. And Americans broadly seem to care a more about status than the other 95% of the worlds population.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by cultofmetatron on Sunday July 30, 2023 @09:47AM (#36931108)
go to latin america. I bought a phone for a girl awhile back while I was there. she literally chose a used 3 year old iphone over a brand new android that costs more. I even showed her that the secs on the android were objectively better.

"Quierro un iphone!!"

its definitely not an american only thing

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by mattl on Sunday July 30, 2023 @09:48PM (#36937986)
I don’t think I would ever use an Android phone again, I used one very early one and then stopped around the Pixel.

For me, an iPhone is better than any Android phone. I don’t know why this is surprising to many people.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by piuantiderp on Thursday August 10, 2023 @04:12AM (#37073399)
It's more of a filter for a certain mindset even if some cannot articulate it:

iPhone -> pragmatism