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Re:Rethinking Window Management in Gnome by soulofmischief on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @01:54PM (#36881962)
I wish Gnome would stop rethinking things and just reimplement the basic desktop features every major competitor has, and that Gnome 2 had.
Re:Rethinking Window Management in Gnome by silon42 on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @02:49PM (#36882910)
including replaceable WMs
Re:Rethinking Window Management in Gnome by hactually on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @03:21PM (#36883417)
what's missing that was removed in 2->3?
Re:Rethinking Window Management in Gnome by soulofmischief on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @03:35PM (#36883616)
If you have used GNOME 2 for an extended period of time and then moved to GNOME 3, I think you'd find the shorter list of what wasn't removed.

The idea was a vast plugin ecosystem which would allow development of desktop features to be more distributed. The problem was, some of the most basic features (like a taskbar for displaying open windows, or panels, or applets, or sane window management tools) were left out.

At some point it becomes a security and performance nightmare when the idea is that to achieve a normal desktop experience, you need dozens of user-supplied scripts.

Of course that's not a problem in practice, because even with user plugins, several basic features continue to be missing. And the fact that most of these plugins are just recreating functionality that already previously existed should really tell you something about GNOME team's design philosophy.

To quote Linus Torvalds, GNOME 3 is a "total user experience design failure".

https://www.datamation.com/open-source/gnome-2-vs-gnome-3/

Re:Rethinking Window Management in Gnome by moojacob on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @05:20PM (#36885223)
For more context Linux Torvalds moved back to GNOME in 2013, a year after that article was posted.

From https://www.phoronix.com/news/MTMxNj:

> He says that GNOME 3.x has been improving and that when pairing the desktop with the right extensions, it's a rather pleasant desktop. He specifically points out Frippery and GNOME Tweak Tool as making a huge difference to his experience.

Re:Rethinking Window Management in Gnome by soulofmischief on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @06:02PM (#36885765)
Thank you, I didn't know that and didn't mean to misconstrue his opinion. GNOME Tweak Tool is a critical part of a usable GNOME experience, but I wouldn't dare call that a good user experience because it's a non-starter for the majority of casual users.
Re:Rethinking Window Management in Gnome by pmontra on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @07:32PM (#36886642)
I stayed for a long time on Gnome Flashback, the Gnome 2 look alike. I moved to Gnome 3 when I was sure that there were enough extensions to recreate a sane Gnome 2 desktop. Did they waste all their work? Mostly. Did they waste the time of the people that had to undo their work? Definitely.
Re:Rethinking Window Management in Gnome by elteto on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @04:15PM (#36884280)
Starting with something as basic as bringing back the path input textbox in file dialogs. I mean... it's a file dialog! What else but inputting file _paths_ is it good for?
Re:Rethinking Window Management in Gnome by soulofmischief on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @06:23PM (#36886025)
I recently got a macbook pro m2 in order to do local ML dev, and Finder has got to be one of the worst, most user-hostile programs I've ever used. It's not a good look when fucking windows explorer offers a better user experience.
Re:Rethinking Window Management in Gnome by roryokane on Friday July 28, 2023 @02:11AM (#36903542)
In case you weren’t aware, though macOS’s Finder doesn’t show an editable file path control in each window like Windows Explorer does, Finder does support these path-related features:

• View > Show Path Bar (⌥⌘P) toggles visibility of a bar at the bottom of the window that shows the path to the currently open folder or currently selected file. The path is displayed as a series of folders, including their icons. You can hover over each these folders to see their full names, drag files into them, or drag them into other windows.

• Go > Go to Folder (⇧⌘G) pops up a text field where you can type the path of a folder or file to navigate to. The text field has tab completion. This shortcut works in any file dialog, not just the Finder.

• Edit > Copy “…” as Pathname (⌥⌘C) copies the absolute path to the currently open folder or currently selected file.

Another tip: in any file dialog, to navigate to the same folder as an open Finder window, start dragging the folder by pressing and holding on the proxy icon of the window (it’s in the title bar, left of the title), then drop the folder onto the dialog.

Re:Rethinking Window Management in Gnome by fomine3 on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @09:34PM (#36887727)
Lack of this is insane. Gnome3 has a few such bad points iirc, that makes me to avoid it.
Re:Rethinking Window Management in Gnome by diffeomorphism on Thursday July 27, 2023 @09:32AM (#36893211)
ctrl+l? Or am I misunderstanding what you are asking for?
Re:Rethinking Window Management in Gnome by chrissoundz on Thursday July 27, 2023 @08:04AM (#36892219)
Why not just use Mate (Gnome 2 fork)?