Google Search is notably absent in your list.

If this proposal becomes standard in Chrome, You can be sure Microsoft and Apple will follow Google's lead with the same or their own similar implementations.

See Microsoft Pluton and Apple's Private Access Tokens. Or read this article which provides an excellent overview of these developments. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32282305

Make no mistake. If this becomes standard on Chrome, this is going to be standard on the web.

Youtube is absent as well. Maybe OP is not as de-Googled as they think.

I didn’t specifically try to De-Googlefy my life for some moral reason. I think most of Google’s products are second rate - including their search page unless you use an Ad blocker. But I do find myself using ChatGPT more and Google less for coding questions since it does a better job of giving me exact answers to my problems and code is easy to verify for correctness.

As far as YouTube, I think I only use it for AWS ReInvent videos. I can’t stand ads and there are no ads interrupting the video.

Wait until your bank requires you to use it to pay your bills and tax preparation websites require it to pay for taxes.

My former business bank actually did this. They insisted their web app "was compatible with all modern browsers, but more compatible with Chrome" - I couldn't make transfers to other accounts with Firefox, it just hung indefinitely.

Virgin Money, UK - https://uk.virginmoney.com/

> was compatible with all modern browsers, but more compatible with Chrome

Is Animal Farm not required reading in Orwell's home country? Or was that a misquote, or maybe just something from a random support worker? It's almost too on the nose for that statement to be written by someone familiar with that book.

I was wondering the exact same thing with that wording. Maybe someone, somewhere was required to put in a notice like that (or worse, make it so that it does work better in Chrome for whatever reason) and decided to word it like that to fly under the radar. Unlikely, but I like that imaginary world.

I use Virgin Bank and Firefox works OK for me.

This was Virgin Money Business specifically, and it's a year since I left so it might have been fixed.

I’m sure they are all going to block iOS users from using their services.

iOS already implemented this stuff

Not only did iOS implement this, but everyone either sleep-walked on it, or worse, praised it, because Apple sold it as a CAPTCHA bypass instead of a DRM scheme: https://mastodon.delroth.net/@delroth/110775677023220850

How is PrivacyPass related to iOS?

PrivacyPass is an extension that lets you pre-solve CloudFlare CAPTCHAs if you're on a VPN. However, that was too frustrating, so CloudFlare partnered with Apple to integrate PrivacyPass into Safari.

How did they do this? Simple: iOS provides cryptographic attestation that your browser isn't a bot and isn't hacked, and CloudFlare takes that as your CAPTCHA solution. This works exactly the same way that Google proposes Web Environment Integrity work.

It’s bad enough google captcha is broken on Firefox with all the privacy extensions on.

It is not broken. They are punishing you for not wanting to be tracked, profiled and manipulated.

You may not use Gmail, but every email you send and receive goes through Google infrastructure.

I might need to tell my corporate IT department that our emails are going through Gmail.

Besides, I can’t remember the last time I actually sent a personal email to anyone besides forwarding something from another business.

And yet, you are probably somewhere in Google's databases.

And if they are broken up, now you’re in 5 companies’ databases, win?

And then they are all probably going to implement “sign in with Google”.

>And if they are broken up, now you’re in 5 companies’ databases, win?

Yes, win. I'd rather be in a number of smaller businesses database than in the one last company's.

Isn’t that the opposite of privacy?

The opposite of privacy in this context is 1 or more companies having your data. Note the 1.

I don't have a Google account and don't use any Google service, still think that this libertarian message is bullshit, how do you do the free will if the web starts deciding which OS/Browser are authorised to do something? I am not sure we are talking about free will or useful idiots

And how will “breaking up Google” help if the “Chrome company” is still implementing DRM?

Because you break the interest of showing ads from google search/adwords, to the interest of surfinh web freely of those who would work on chrome

Now google has both the need to show ads, and direct power on what people use to see those ads

How do you think the “Chrome company” would be funded?

How is Firefox funded today.

Is Firefox consistently trying to find ways to show you ads? Are they working on technology that helps profiling you?

One thing is funding, keeeping independence, another is controlling

They get 80% of their funding from Google. Do you think they are going to change to a “privacy first” search engine?

And Firefox already supports Google’s WideVine DRM

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-drm

What makes you think they won’t support this?

Are you sealioning me?

I think it’s kind of naive to think a company that gets 80% of its funding from Google is going to go out of its way to protect you from the same company or that it won’t implement the same proposed DRM standard when it already implemented the older one.

But if firefox is full of tech to prevent privacy leaks? They incorporated a vpn, strict mode, containers, third party cookie block, dnt, etc.. what the fucking hell are you talking about?

They are sending you to Google for searches. Everything else is irrelevant if you are concerned about Google getting information about you.

If you think that Firefox won’t include DRM because of “freedum”, there is an existence proof that they will - they support WideVine.

How can Firefox be “independent” of Google when 80% of their funding comes from Google?

what browser do you use?

Safari