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Re:Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams... by TeMPOraL on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @08:30AM (#36785243)
I must be an unique snowflake, because I switched jobs around March 2020, and the new place used Teams exclusively, and... it was good. Not stellar, but good for the standards of software in this decade. Better than Slack, anyway. There were some weird glitches happening couple times a year, but nothing major.

So either I'm incredibly lucky, or - my going hypothesis - Teams actually does work quite well, if you deploy it along with SharePoint, Exchange, and other Microsoft products it integrates with.

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Re:Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams... by justinclift on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @09:12AM (#36785726)
"Incredibly lucky" this time around I'm thinking. :)

Oh, are you using it on an Apple Silicon mac?

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Re:Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams... by tacotacotaco on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @08:35PM (#36795500)
Not the OP but I do run Teams on Apple Silicon and it is still a bug-ridden mess. Crashes, rendering bugs, file attachment bugs. At least once a week, usually more. Searches fail to find results that I can manually locate by scrolling through the chat history. I have reinstalled the app more than once.

I have shared these observations in their feedback pop ups and I know Microsoft loves collecting telemetry. Why should they dedicate more money/resources to fix defects when it clearly hasn’t stopped them from growing their market share?

Teams is the first example I use to begrudgingly explain to someone that quality doesn’t matter.

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Re:Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams... by TeMPOraL on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @10:11PM (#36796127)
As per the hypothesis I stated, I think your problem is running Teams on an Apple system. I'm not defending Microsoft releasing a shitty product here, but I think it's most likely they didn't bother to properly test/debug it for other OSes and configurations than "embracing Windows and the Office ecosystem".
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Re:Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams... by TeMPOraL on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @10:07PM (#36796105)
Nah. Just a random Thinkpad.

I think Apple Silicon is going to one's experience worse here, not better - because of the "Apple" part.

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Re:Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams... by justinclift on Thursday July 20, 2023 @01:37AM (#36797194)
No worries. Was just wondering, as other dev's I know that run Teams on macOS (intel and arm64) say it's a pretty shitty experience.

Was thinking maybe something had changed, but sounds like no. ;)

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Re:Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams... by dotnet00 on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @09:29AM (#36785982)
Same experience here, at most I might've run into file attachment issues a handful of times, but otherwise Teams has been flawless for video conferences. Zoom has given me way more trouble than Teams on Windows, Linux and Android devices.
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Re:Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams... by vel0city on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @09:35AM (#36786075)
Other than it using more CPU than it has any right to, Teams generally has worked well for me as well. The workplace has pretty fully embraced onedrive and SharePoint. Running on Windows.
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Re:Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams... by kyriakos on Thursday July 20, 2023 @10:56AM (#36801439)
sharepoint / onedrive integration with teams is one of those "just works" things. its really great for collaboration. teams has a lot of issues, especially regarding performance but its very feature-packed.
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Re:Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams... by trympet on Thursday July 20, 2023 @04:09PM (#36806026)
You should try the Teams preview. Much better in terms of resource usage. https://adoption.microsoft.com/en-us/new-microsoft-teams/
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Re:Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams... by vel0city on Thursday July 20, 2023 @04:33PM (#36806345)
I do use it, and yes, its a lot better than the old. Thanks!
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Re:Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams... by delecti on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @09:35AM (#36786080)
My experience aligns with yours. Calls almost never drop, it's easy to do ad-hoc calls/meetings of arbitrary groups of people, it's easy to attach a teams call for an outlook event, having persistent chats associated with recurring meetings is great. I really just don't have any complaints whatsoever.
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Re:Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams... by dingi on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @11:28AM (#36788031)
I have experienced the same as well. I've been using team (on Linux for Christs sake) for past 3 years. Never had any major issues. Everything continues to be working as expexted. I'm using the web app on Chrome as a pinned tab since they are going to kill the Linux teams client.
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Re:Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams... by bentcorner on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @11:49AM (#36788373)
I've never used this but apparently this wrapper is useful for linux people: https://github.com/IsmaelMartinez/teams-for-linux
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Re:Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams... by dingi on Thursday July 20, 2023 @05:34AM (#36798443)
Nope, this is no good. PWA works really well with Chrome though
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Re:Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams... by dmonitor on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @11:40AM (#36788219)
looking at my teams interface right now. there are three separate "..." menus. Behind one of them is the settings, one is the installed apps, the third is to install more apps. Everyone involved in the decision making process that resulted in this UX should be banned from computers.
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Re:Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams... by cameronh90 on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @09:37PM (#36795905)
In my anecdotal experience, the less technical users have a much easier time with Teams than they do with Zoom.

I suspect it depends on what you're used to. Zoom fits in better with the Apple design system.

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Re:Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams... by lenkite on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @12:46PM (#36789382)
My experience is the same. It was OK but flaky in 2020 and I un-fairly blamed the React native and JS for the subpar experience. Improved considerably by mid-2023 though I still wish it took lesser system resources. Probably will never happen.
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