Definite typo - meant HP, thanks!

Yeh, I struggle to see the point of a NUC when I can buy one of those used and get much better value

https://www.servethehome.com/tag/tinyminimicro/

These are a great size and one I like a lot

Still the NUC size machines have their place, even the small chromeboxes, etc.

Yes this. The tiny PCs tend to have mobile CPUs in them as well which can feel a little sluggish. You can get a decent small desktop for the same money. I have a Lenovo Neo 50s as my main computer with a 12400, 32Gb of RAM and 1TB SN850X SSD in it. Very nice, quiet and reliable machine.

Yeah but for the same money as your Lenovo, you can get something much smaller.

Physical size only matters in many cases to the extent that its a small amount of electricity for the computing power.

2 values I like comparing:

- Computing power (cpu benchmark) / per watt is a good comparison.

- After that, comparing those to compute power per dollar ratio really lays a clear picture out.

It lurks under my desk getting dusty. I don't care. If it's really small it's really hard to make it lurk somewhere. It's either dangling, in some horrible mount or on top of the desk.

There's enough room in the Lenovo for a couple of PCI cards, a couple more disks and a hell of a lot more RAM if I need it too.

The fact that the 8th gen can handle 64gb ram is a nice surprise

The Tiny/Mini/Micro series from Lenovo/HP/Dell don't use mobile CPUs at all, but the throttled (T) versions of their desktop counterparts. They're even socketed, so you could swap them out.

I use a Dell OptiPlex 7000 Micro having an i5-12500T CPU as my main dev machine and it's very snappy. Add a monitor and mount it on a MFS18 stand and you have a nice all-in-one system.

This secret might get out now :)

So many cores and threads for so few watts.